Ep47_MarkRobinson
Thu, 5/6 9:54AM • 37:59
SUMMARY KEYWORDS
coach, players, team, captain, sport, girls, bit, people, play, male, cricket, underdogs, yardley, england, watching, important, speaking, cycles, environment, talk
SPEAKERS
Paul Barnett, Mark Robinson
Paul Barnett 00:00
Mark Robinson. Good morning, and welcome to the Great coach's podcast.
Mark Robinson 00:05
Yes, morning. Thank you. Thank you for having me.
Paul Barnett 00:07
We're very excited to talk to you. I do enjoy talking about cricket, especially this time of year. But I guess before we get into the interview, can I just ask you something really simple? Where are you in the world today? And what have you been up to so far?
Mark Robinson 00:19
Well, I mean, East presser, which is in Sussex, they were they live in the heart of the world, 10 minutes walk to the sea. And I've done a dog walk, get the dog around the block a couple of times a week. And now just settling, getting ready for the day.
Paul Barnett 00:33
Well, we're very happy that you could take some time off from walking the dog to talk a little bit of cricket. And we're gonna get into all things will cup and how you lead the team to victory and of course, your experience in the county championship as well. But if I could, I'd like to start by just talking about some of the great coaches that you've had experience with. There's many the two names that I could find was, of course, Alan Smith and Andy flower. But I wanted to ask you more broadly, what is it you think the great coaches do differently from the ones who aren't so great?
01:06
I think they take an interest in you, I guess. And therefore you like being a parent, it's not, it's not uncommon to the Greeks that unconditional love under their field, and the time they give you time. Time is the best gift you can give anybody's guess what the best coaches do we can use on the forgive you. I think this is really important. players don't really forgive coaches, very much. coaches and parents are having to give all the time their children early.[PB1]
Paul Barnett 01:35
So you think there's a very strong correlation with being a parent and being a great guy?
01:41
massively, yeah, all the time. like watching players, sometimes you want to develop and you try to watch them how close it goes to the fire before you have to step in. The same as the same thing is to try to allow children to become more independent. And the hardest age to coach is, is that that's stayed when a player wants to be independent, but isn't quite able to be independent, and you're having to let them have the wings to degree. But you know, it's going to, to degree have some serious now as well. It's like our teenagers, isn't it? Our teenage kids, when they when they're going out through one minute, they want to be treated like an adult, the next minute now want everything done, the room sided up for them, and etc. So these players are no different. It's mine to help them along that journey.[PB2]
Paul Barnett 02:27
So I guess being a parent is a good part of an apprenticeship for any aspiring coach.
02:35
It's not it don't have to be but I think this is correlated with collaborations. players go through stages, I think players go well, I'd say go for Wonka stage, where it's a natural progression. So we're generally at the beginning, the very moldable monopolies then they'll go through a stage where, what who's watching me? Are the selectors watching me, I'll close the lens of playing for England. How am I going to keep in a team? How much money is he getting? How much money am I getting? And then they come out the other end. And they become that's that that's actually lovely, and when they are almost reborn again, and they've got young hearts wise heads. And it's almost the three stages I think you have as a player. But no, we've all done in the same way where we get wrapped up in the wrong things. And then it's usually when they come out the other side, rather played for England enough that they're not bothered or they've done their international stuff. And they're just not trying to prove to anybody else put them to some Scotland's take wickets to get the job done. Not what it's not like, obviously, what it isn't what it looks like. But there's lots of players because you can't cheat that says that cycle. You're trying to help them through it, but we'll go through
Paul Barnett 03:50
it. You had a great apprenticeship for coaching. You played for Northampton cheer your career in Sussex before you became a coach. What did you learn about coaching as a player? Or rather i'd rephrase it. What did you not learn as a player about coaching that surprised you so much when you did become a coach,
04:10
I learned about the invite how the how important environments is, and this is reflective. So my experience as a young player with your child wasn't great. The environment wasn't very good. from home, which is only 20 miles round trip from Leeds and we'd have to do that journey to Leeds. A little appreciation from a woman that was a 1414 to 18 year old on that four year cycle going once, twice a week for the winter to Leeds. I'm going to 20 mile round trip no appreciation what sacrifice mom and dad would have been doing to get into their, into their work cycles and everything. And then hating it, because it was austere, not friendly, not welcoming helped me odd one out. So I learned how porn and environment is one how important the role of the coach is to make everybody feel included. did feel safe, have a sense of enjoyment, so that that really stuck with me, as a player, I've got I've got bad eyes. So my eyes don't work together the way the both strong eyes but we don't work together to work independently got no 3d vision so picking up land when your eyes don't work together as a battle so definitely had my challenges in the fit a bit under high[PB3] catches, and obviously from what I from a plot, but it taught me you've got to find a way. So I think as a coach, it's helped me be able to improvise. I know what it's like to shape yourself and what it's like to stand on the boundary thinking, please don't come to me. I know what it's like to walk out sometimes believe you're prepared or not well paid for and it's been 17 years, and I found a way otherwise, don't you fall off while away you know, you get released and you got you on the scrapheap. So I think I've got a good balance through my own experience of going into amplifies the human side of it. But equally try and help players to come to terms of it and have to say to find a way accept whatever your deficiencies are, and how we get like that what we can do then to overcome them, how we're going to make this work.
Paul Barnett 06:18
It's interesting, you talk about empathy, because when it comes to coaching, I've read the you've said it's about understanding what's holding the athlete back, giving them confidence, and the foundations to play with freedom. Does that sum up your coaching philosophy?
06:35
Yeah, I think so. Host Actually, I was really? I mean, I know where you got said that? Well, I actually use that last week with something. And I think it is yeah, I think it's like poor behaviour, isn't it? Poor behaviour is happening for a reason. What's driving it what's what's the trigger lots of what's behind that and think sometimes we can go to the condemning bit too quickly, as opposed to try to take the extra time to tell what's causing somebody to always be late, or whatever it is. Moody mood later, what's what's driving, and if you try and get underneath it. And from a planning point of view, it's the same as we're trying to give, give the player the confidence to go out and play and, and feel safe enough to make mistakes. And I suppose that's what it is in practice you can make, allow them to make mistakes and also accept mistakes in the game. That's why I said at the beginning, as a coach, you've got to forgive, you've got to forgive the players and make sure they feel forgiven. And we'll certainly got to understand that as a consequence, we live in a performance reality[PB4] . So I will currencies as a cricketer many ways which runs winds as our currency enters our lives. We can't ever escape from war, if that consumes us, we'll never be able to achieve. We have to say on that road to greatness and taking over all our wickets, we've got to prepare to take some risks and make some mistakes on the way
Paul Barnett 08:00
this is listening to you. It's it's a very philosophical approach. And I'm wondering, is there an instance where you've taken a team or even an individual and you've managed to lift their confidence to the extent where you've seen performance improvement follow?
08:16
Oh, yeah, definitely. Some people not would be warm. When I joined the girl she was in the out group as a person and in the out group was applied. She's arguably as good as any ot LTI. Now in the wealth restart, why would say that the last four years what she's done, that would be one, but it will never be about me or the coach. It's about you trying to help mould and environments, use your resources, your the staff to try and give confidence and belief. I think I learned something really, really important on most of the girls as well, I've got great lot built in either their negativity, which, which would be the opposite, where sometimes I would naturally look. And that taught me a lot, actually, sometimes by being better. So my natural approach would be, it wasn't that bad. You didn't ball that badly. You've got two wickets, you might have been more expensive one, but it wasn't that too bad to be on that positive approach will allow Actually, that's not always helpful, especially to some personality traits. And actually, by denying their negativity, you're causing more problems, what what I needed to do in there was not arguing against the reality. Okay, so you felt that what we're gonna do to make it better the next day and move them on that way, as opposed to almost having this argument about how bad it was. So that taught me a lot. That's not an approach you need to do every point and that's what you've got to know your players will say something like timing wasn't wouldn't be the right approach. So the play in question has not been I have a negativity allow it. That was her perception. I wasn't going to change it. No more. I would stick on trying to change it and worse, I would make it. That was a really important lesson.[PB5]
Paul Barnett 10:05
How did you learn that lesson?
10:07
I've got it's told a great story from one of the England men's sport sites about an England player. And then we, we were lucky enough with the girls involved with some weeks we set for Bangor University. And that's sort of where I learned a little bit around one of the players. I think all good coaches are trying to find out and understand their players, the best you can, which goes back to that line, you're trying to understand what makes them tick. [PB6] What that block was blocked, was blocking, the ability to play with the freedom and the confidence that you want them to play, isn't it that's really trying to find out about their lives really. And that's I've done mentoring other events with a bit leadership in the last year, meanings cricket, but other some other sports, business and everybody's got a story to tell. And it's actually fascinating. When you sit down and start listening to somebody's story, you can actually see how their values are shaped and how their leadership is shaped in the same way mine was talking about my experience that your chair, as a kid that shaped me as a coach, my experiences of my eyes. And that feeling of being inadequate and been in environments that ridiculed not really cool my eyes, but my men's environments are the worst can be really cutting and not helpful. You know, the bouncer can be harsh. You really are sinking or swimming. And in some ways, yes, he did come through and you're talking about, it shouldn't be like that. Again, I want to share an environment. It's got to be challenging. It's got to support.[PB7]
Paul Barnett 11:40
You've coached elite levels in men and women's cricket. What's the difference between the way the teams support each other
11:50
suggests unexplained speed. generalisations, female teams, genuinely the web of companionship or togetherness is more important. And when it's right, it's massively powerful. When it's not quite right, massively distorted, which probably isn't as prevalent in the male teams and I am speaking generalisation one of the issues you'll get, you hear the middle sex team or the finance team on the might, the might get in except for us, and we weren't the best, and he don't need to be the best match to the female team is more important. It gets more problems, potential problems. That's a big difference. You have to understand as a coach, that compatibility of the teams and home isn't anything, especially.
Paul Barnett 12:44
You've coached adult teams, male and female, but you've also coached the youth teams, English lions, there was a couple of handy players actually in the squads that you guys just Butler, Joe root, Ben Stokes. And that's just just the tip of the iceberg. What was the focus of your development work with those players when they were in their late teens?
13:03
I've seen that the nine teams yeah did in England in the nine scenes to World Cup out of what ended up being a high powerful. But at the time, it seemed like it was in that scene, but he wasn't quite ready at that point for ODI cricket, which is what the well, while so you've got player that that is going to be very, very good. Never tell how good but he was just a bit at that point wasn't strong, in that sense, physically strong, quite ready. And then Buffalo and Stokes to that in terms of how this stuff the ball. But you just look as a coach, you say you're a facilitator, you just part of this, you want you to a team like England, it seems the same lady that the lions teams, which is that the the 18 to the from England say you are there to help them through a period. So that underline scene was about the preparation for it. And then you're going into tea itself, New Zealand and you're trying to help them obviously you want to win, but you're trying to, for my party, I'm trying to teach you the game a little bit to kind of teach them when you can have a drink when you can't have a drink, all those types of things that good senior players do. And that's even in that sentence and my approach that I'm the nine so I probably won't be allowed to do some of the things that then nowadays, just because of scrutiny or was deemed right along as I I remember the first time that we got to New Zealand and I knew the rail as a team. So I went to find them. I didn't find them to go to find them to bother them for you. They're out. We had a couple of days. We adjustment because obviously the time difference and anything can do anything physical training. So it's kind of a new system of water monitoring. So I wanted them to see me as labo as well as the coach. And what I didn't want I didn't want them doing things behind my back. I felt I could have better control if that's the right word if I knew what was happening. And then I could guide them send people home, etc. And then the next day with a meeting actually at three in the afternoon, and we delivered because I was we went on some time half technically went home and one place slept in. I was able to get hold of them and say look, let me down because not the manager found out I was reviewed by new friends I'm in trouble. And you've let me down there you let anybody know we can't do I can't treat you like adults if you're not going to do these things you will to quit the guild Carlin is just trying to get trust I'll try to do is enter the your management to get trust that you were there for them. We beat India which is the first time in a nine single ever beat in India. How is it a new student night that night? So obviously the players are high is the one I know student I can tell. I know that all plans ago. Let's say in the dressing room, I'm not asked anything Have you have asked me not to go tonight and play in three days time. I know how long it takes to recover from a night out proper night out and you won't be in time. And then lastly, with your coach, what's then I'm not going to wait in the hotel for it to catch up. Nobody went which was brilliant. And then we could not be in the semi finals thing. Could I visualise them and try to see you try to teach them how to be a team when to hold back. When to when to go? I don't think I've been allowed to arrange layouts of them anymore. In this day and age to shame. Yeah,
Paul Barnett 16:30
you took over the English women's team in 2015. And in 2017, they famously go on to win the World Cup final. What were some of the first things you did when you took over the team that set up that result.
16:46
I think when you go into any job yourself, you got to have a vision. And you've got to hopefully that's going to be a shared vision. So remember, we met the first time we met as a squat properly. When I got all the players together, we were in South Africa. So I've done a month on the job already. But the best six girls in the women's big bash, I just put it on a big whiteboard from porch in store, which is where we were in South Africa, watching stumped to a lot. And just got the data. So we started here, January 2016, porch and stone Lords July, whatever the date was, where we're going to finish, and that's the piano and everything we do from then it's going to be to that goal. And a lot of my language would be things like when we're playing Australia in the final loss. This is why the staff would join in on the SMC the string of additional code for for things like sweat for batch, that'd be fun was almost a language is around. So that was one of the first things you did this, this is a physical thing, you set the vision. And then I suppose you try to tell a squad, or team or group of players how you're going to get there. That was my thing. I'm going to get that by being braver by being more exciting, great records, all the records of women's well cricket in a team room. And I asked the girls wanting to visualise your names that are the most best written teach runners and I want your names there. So the next lap cycle for years your names are going to be fun and exciting them how to play. And we're going to go I think the other thing I asked them to do was the real Darwin quote about it's not the fittest strongest survive it's the one of the people who can evolve over the right qualities of assassin that Raven have to be prepared to evolve. So that's we did not have to set that out but it wasn't obviously like mostly clean plain sailing because we had to make a few changes with change the captain so that I could was senior players go to get a younger team that was probably more likely to fulfil that vision.[PB8]
Paul Barnett 18:54
Well, speaking of captains, you were very effusive in your praise they had the night and the in cricket the role of the captain is it's quite unusual because they're the ones making the decisions during the game. Your your role as the coaches is somewhat limited. What advice do you have for other coaches on picking a captain?
19:14
I mean, I've looked I've worked with lots of different captains, who Saddam's magnificent Captain at Sussex Michael yard is brilliant. And sometimes you only as good as your resource centre punch really as good as what resources you've got to manage both captains causes in all different shapes and sizes. I think from a coach point of view, you have you have to blend so that personalities are cats a little bit. [PB9] So Chris Adams was a dominant alpha male being brilliant speaker. Oh, you know, churchillian speeches. Lead by example on the pitch so you don't need me speaking all the time the dressing either. We wanted to control the dressing room. And that sense so I had to sell my domain as a training ground. I also did all the training the organising Everything else but more strategic than ego, Michael Yachty, who was less comfortable speaking in the dressing room. He said run the team as such, but he's less comfortable with the speaking so I speak more. You go I went on a lions tour within the first England lions tour went up. Chris Woakes is Captain and you're trying to empower Chris wants to be the captain trying to give him opportunities. Sorry, I'm trying to create opportunities. And the same time I'd like you to do this trying to help him feel like it's his team. And Heather, Charlotte Edwards was she's an awesome lead in her own right, but she just ran a race lexicon, unfortunately. And it was just we needed a younger Captain to sort of be able to lead in different ways to what Charlotte because it was not no date when I'm Charlotte. But have the best thing I could call it the best. The best things I ever did was she had a reputation for about a couple of things. And she changed she just wanted to get the best human being she possibly could the best leadership wasn't like as all fallible all but sometimes fail. But it was just this one incident just the best she could have been every way nevermind as a player, but just as a person, the best lead and then we'll go into a once and we got a twice it as a real got fun for your players for Academy gasmate. This one's a bit scared of you. So she went and took all four of them out for tape will pay for them and everything. She just wanted wants to be that person and somebody was scared. And she's incredibly comfortable in their own skin. It's an enormous quality. Leadership. I don't know what you look, we say what you look for. Suppose you're looking for, I guess I'd look for somebody who is comfortable enough in their own skin, which I think that is important to them. They've got strong enough to have power, they have their own conviction. And convictions are soft, that would be something I would look for. But there is no one fit all they don't have to be churchillian an adult equally have to be quiet and observant. There is no one. All leaders, we all followers, this is not my quote. But it's a really good quote. [PB10] Mike, I
Paul Barnett 22:13
wanted to ask you about mental skills, actually, because one of the things that you did was you brought mental skills training into the team. And the focus was ran how to handle handle anxiety. And I wondered whether there were any top tips that you could share for other people who may or may not even be in sporting teams?
22:32
Well, I think my my way of full stop is to try and normalise everything. So a lot of the feelings we have it's it's normal to feel a lot better now is the year by year day by day, there's more people talking about things as more encouragement to talk. Especially was my career professional sport. That wasn't the case you meant to be strong and not show weakness. So I would generally try and normalise everything. So I I'd always say things like, you can't be brave unless you're not scared. You can't be brave if you're anxious, because it just doesn't work. The work opposite, you know, you can't be happy unless you know what sadness is. You can't do it in a real, what's real successes if you don't know what failure is. And you have to understand emotions. Okay. And I'll try and normalise.[PB11] In that sense, I was lucky enough to work with a couple clinical sites a tiny bit. And I'm probably building my world a little bit there. But we've covered the place or had the clinical psych support. I would go to meetings with and I've got educated a little bit on that. And so you start to understand how to try and make the environment safer, how best to work with a player. [PB12] But I've been with somebody like server Taylor, and what she would tell me I think there's the same when I was with Michael Yardley worth went through tough times. I think like I feel like that what the differences when what happened was it started to control her life, her anxiety started to control our life and stops doing things started going on public transport, not wanting to be around people that not that anxiety that we get around. I've got to go out and speak in the public. It's normal. And either there are things you can then try and do to try and control it. But first of all, you've got to accept you're going to feel uncomfortable, you're going to feel like shit. That's the first thing you always have this acceptance This is not an it will be it will pass it I feel like this now but it will work for like 20 minutes, half an hour. I will free like this when it's done. I'll actually feel really good. I remember that that and then there's lots of good tips to try and help cope in a moment isn't it from from breathing and everything else? As I said, we just I just tried to create a normalise[PB13] . I'm going to discuss the present and it was a little bit around so because when I was starting to say work with cervid and About especially about her coming back in with the whole group about anxiety, there's different types, you get put, there's also performance anxiety. So it was was actually as much of anything. It was social insights.
Paul Barnett 25:13
I was fascinated. You talk about discussion. And I think it's a bit of a theme actually, having these open discussions with the team, I could find numerous examples of it in the, in the research I did to talk to you today. But there was one discussion that you facilitated, that I thought was really fascinating, particularly when it comes to female sport. And it was the when you invited the hockey player Alex Danson in to come and talk to the team about managing pressure and hormonal impacts. And I'm wondering if there was some parts of that speech that you could share with other people who are wondering how to manage that balance as well.
25:49
Alex came in to talk to the girls. But there's lots of different reasons why that's we went to last finals at last girls never ever plate loss is nil Bastion place never get a chance. So we didn't want to do is to get some laws. And it feels better. Nevermind, it's a final but also overwhelmed by the place. So I took them to last twice. In the build up a bit. We've obviously this before we even got to the fight a little bit before the World Cup started. And the first time we did a tour around Lords history. It's an awesome place in the dining room. And we sat in the dressing room. normal stuff you're trying to visualise. You're trying to get them to visualise the will would be is in our hands singing theme song and everything in a part of that was Alex was to come in to talk about how the the England hockey team handle that pressure of the home Olympics and everything that they did. And it was that would have just been one part of the subjects they would have. They would discuss it was everything from social, how they were going to handle social media, to everything. And that wasn't me, that was just a facilitator. She was she spoke with it when we listen. And then we had a team discussion on the girls. But I would say discussion around what I know a lot of those are not you're just trying to engage with every friend from hormonal to anything, you're just trying to increase awareness in the individuals about what they're experiencing. So they can best put things in in Christ to be able to do it better. To cope with it. We did things like you What if What if we did things are sort of worse, right? So we did things like you're going to shoot yourself walking outside, and you will be shooting yourself in the heart because what you're going to do, you're going to acknowledge the crowd, look at the crowd and take it all in feeling in the chest off. Or you're going to go out and you're just got almost your head bowed. Ignore the friend decompartmentalize. And pretend it's all not that both are okay. What are you going to do? How are you going to slow that hammer? Is it will be ticket and we almost practice in advance of it. That's really trying to do for you What is it will always go well? How are you going to try and get some sleep tonight? What are you going to try and do for clients? It seems like it will be hard. Title exciting.
Paul Barnett 28:13
Mark, you've said I'm at my best when I'm fighting for something. But as a coach, you often have to choose your battles. When is it important for you as a coach to stand back?
28:25
As a coach, sometimes you go feel irrelevant. And it's like I don't need to be here. And other times as a coach you think I've got another thing disappointed out? So you go from feeling the most stressed another work person trying to help navigate through a crisis to other times just watching[PB14] . You think fine. I mean, I'd be lucky to say Michael Yardley was an athlete's Michael Yardley law he's he'll be a fantastic head coach one day at a moment's notice. I'll speak to all this fabric he was brilliant so when all best all the best teams have a small shop for this Captain the coach and then they got the senior players in London when the dressing room properly and that's when you use generally ideally you're standing back and there's a problem a team sorts of team works really really well. being quite getting a woman team to that point. Due to lack of experience more than anything that didn't have those I would call true senior players. But from what I mean why I fight for core so with with the girls, Australia, the powerhouse 120 professionals we have seven saying what an even race, but my calls was them because there was I just saw this innocence. And the worst we could because of new professionals in the west by money was no sin. It wasn't that cynical side but you can sometimes get mail sports and got to the one qubit again, that just were purely playing for the love. It was pure and attachment to their parents. And again my own experience of looking back to what my mom or dad had to sacrifice to get me through and they're closest to their parents because one for their parents of the world another no chance because of this limited a lot of the girls would have had to go from one side of the country to the other side of conferences to play to get opportunity. So I saw all this and so my calls became their calls to get visibility to get we went the first time we went to a 220 World Cup went with a man so it was a joint work it was a World Cup was in India, women and the men are both of the same time same venues etc. So the male game and female game on the same day etc. gotten the same we got on the plane with Amanda men went left to business class, we went right to the economy. And you're thinking that's not quite right, that type of thing. So you my calls would be to find that really those type of things and use my influence as a reasonably high profile male coach to find their cause when I could because I had a voice. And sometimes I wouldn't stand back when I should do I would maybe push too hard to the powers that be but as the Sackville batsman suspects, I love my club, we will the underdogs I love the fact I could put that in because I will create is we are the underdogs taking on the big boys. Without our men will go into an agent boss and saying, Just have a look at the stands, please, it's not the old it's not lost. It's its own. We have no standards. For 1000 I love the fat, we could say we live with the underdogs, but we don't care. We constantly punch. That was my cause to take on the big boys to show the fight about money, you can do it a different way about money and power. That was a call. So I think it's about creative finding a cause and creating a course for myself and for the team get behind and unite the team guy[PB15] .
Paul Barnett 31:51
Mark does a fabulous quote from you when you say Actually, I wouldn't mind reading it to you. I learnt loads off the players. It's made me a better coach. And it's made me see the world differently. It broadened me, expanded me and extended me. And I'm wondering if it's not too personal. If I could ask you what were some of the learnings that led you to say this quote, just
32:17
so many things, as I said some of the things on so they haven't been in the male chauvinist? Well, 35 years and then I was in this so it was a more innocent world where there wasn't spoiled by money you were professionals was was not the cynical side that made me fall in love with the game again, I was never out of love with the game. It really made me fall in love again, for play. It was played for what it was and a for true sacrifice. I remember it's so good to use bots Personality of the Year the BBC Sports Personality of the Year with a man and her female athletes speak about being role models, and it just went over my head really, I thought I'd go with the girls when I went with the girls. I found it really emotional because I know how I seen our girls how important it they felt wants to be well models, how important to inspire girls to see sport as a chance as a future as a way which was which was always previously a male way a male Well, when I was as obviously as a bloke as a young person coming young player, I think there was role models all around us everywhere there was male role models wasn't it was a sport was male dominated politics axis even in support groups everything was generally male dominated so we never had to really in the same way about being alone not like the girls did. So that made that change me I remember going to International Women's Day and hearing some of the stories of what females have had to go through to get opportunity and positions in business other way I saw inequality what never seen it before.[PB16] And as I say something like have a watching a desire to be set up this just the best person she possibly could, what she would do to try and do that Charlotte Edwards who you know to degree I ended her career and then walk into work with me and forgive me and things like that. That's lovely. We wanted to find a lot more and we're walking around and so I've got an emotional to is one because I thought about my parents were no longer with me. Now proud there would be that day and I saw commentator a male commentator crying journalists cried and it was one of the x players. And I think in if that's they were writing about the game or common statement about the game and nobody listened when nobody wanted to read the articles. And you know, the x player. She played in a when nobody came to watch and here we are. It was 25,000 Full House, pivotal Molson they will instal and watch an embryo. It made me Just think about how humble it was. Because we are not just celebrating obviously, the day itself with 25,000. It's it's a launchpad for women sport is just going from strength to strength is actually almost a reference to the past, and all the sacrifice and all that, before the people gone before me. If it wasn't for been involved in that in the women's team, I would have kept some associate of alternate accounts of experience half of what I did. Sexuality was the girl's case from Australia. Again, just listen to the stories, what it what it means, learn a lot about transgender to everything. You saw the world differently, because you see, with your eyes open, you've been educated to some of that inequality.[PB17]
Paul Barnett 35:55
Mark, you've said that legacies are a selfish thing. You don't want to legacy. You just want to do the best you can for the team and the people. But if I spun that around, and I said, What if we asked some of the teams and the people in those teams? What your impact on them would be? How do you think they would describe? Or rather, how would you like them to describe the legacy you've
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left? I think that say, when I went through a bad time he was there. He pops up. I'll add him for a while but he pops up now the bad time. He supported me as a person, I'd heard that say that as much as anything. I'd like them to, hopefully and I think sometimes you don't know what somebody does for you. And so the further down the line is you just leave it out here. And then after the events or further down the line you appreciate, like mindset about my mom and dad, really appreciate them wasn't in the right place to listen[PB18] . Sport goes through cycles, isn't it as well and teams go through cycles. So the winner looms, manages knighted triumphant level. You've never visited them good for five years about winning Liverpool, my age group. It's the same teams go through cycles. And that's why I say it's there's a lot of looking smart. You happen to be in the right place when the team's really successful. Michael Yardley has always go back to him, right? Chris Adams? Quite one mortos in a sausage capsule. But was he a better capsule in the rd? You had more sugar daddy would have washed out? Well, it's very hard to know. And that's why I say about legacies. You're just doing the best job. And it's I think it's helped people remember us one on one. Oh, anything else like
Paul Barnett 37:45
Mark Robinson? It's been her pleasure talking to you today. It's a real masterclass in people management and leadership. And I thank you very much for taking the time to talk to us.
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Thank you very much for your time. Thank you.
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