Ep52 Felisha Legette Jack (interview edit)
Thu, 6/3 7:59AM • 38:01
SUMMARY KEYWORDS
coach, people, felicia, game, basketball, indiana, syracuse, person, mom, players, win, recruiting, opportunity, thought, play, job, student athlete, year, success, joanne
SPEAKERS
Paul Barnett, Felisha Legette Jack
Paul Barnett 00:00
Felicia Liggett jack, Good afternoon, and welcome to the great coaches podcast.
Felisha Legette Jack 00:05
So fantastic to be a part of this. Thank you for having me.
Paul Barnett 00:08
We're very excited to talk to you today. We love a little bit of basketball, and particularly when we talk to American Basketball Coaches, because that, of course, is the spiritual home of the game. Okay, Felicia, can I start with a really complex and deep question? Could I ask you where you are in the world? And what have you been doing so far today?
Felisha Legette Jack 00:29
Absolutely. I am located in Buffalo, New York. I'm originally from Syracuse, New York, which is two hours from here. And I am on my way, this will be my 33rd year coaching basketball. And so I never thought that I do this this long. I just say I'll do it for a couple years here and there. But next thing you know, you just blink and it's not even a job. It's just a, it's your being as a part of who you are. So by this little round basketball has taken me all over the world. And at this point, I'm located in Buffalo.
Paul Barnett 01:03
Well, I can't wait to talk to you about those 33 years and all the learnings along the way. But maybe I'll start a little bit by talking to you about some of the great coaches that you've had exposure to in research. And you could see that there's we let a space, who I understand is a legend. There's Bob Jacobs, and of course, coach, Joe, np, McCauley, who we've had on the show, but what is it you think these great coaches do differently that sets them apart from everybody else,
Felisha Legette Jack 01:32
they study the people that they're going to surround themselves with. [PB1] And I think that I've learned that through the years, you know, we let us be nice. She saw me when I was only in the seventh grade. And she knew that the work ethic from my mom in our family would be important for her to grow High School teenage she had just taken on at Nottingham. And she asked my mother permission to see if I can, you know, take a you know, a physical test to see if I can be a part of her team. I'm thinking that, you know, I'll be on the JV team. And we passed a test and she put me on varsity in eighth grade. And she said that, in order for her to protect me, I needed to be with her on a constant basis as opposed to being with a JV coach. And I understood that because as I embarked on my career in high school, those upper class ladies were very serious about what they thought they deserved, that necessary what they've earned. And because they were older, they should start or play more minutes. And I started in eighth grade. And it was a lot of confrontation. And then I had a strong African American woman who protected me through that process, because she didn't want me to, you know, put a foot on my flower because I was pretty good at at a very early age. And so I love that about her. When the coach of Barbara Jacobs, she saw me, I think in the 10th grade, and she started recruiting me early on. And so that same kind of situation. And, you know, I was a top 40 student athlete coming out of high school, and I just loved the way she really wanted me to be a part of her program that love to be close to my mom. So it's kind of like a wonderful like, storm, if you will. And I out of all the schools that recruited me, no one had that opportunity to be able to play for my mother, but also who cared enough to keep recruiting me Every since I was an intense gray. So Barbara Jacobs was was that person for me. And we did some fun things together at Syracuse University, and Joanne P. McCauley. I never knew her. Personally, I just knew her by being out recruiting. And she watched how I recruited and she had the biggest opportunity at the BCS level. She wanted somebody that to recruit for her that can't really get after recruiting the way she would. And she contacted me with us not even knowing each other that well, and asked me to be her recruiting coordinator at Michigan State University. And this is one small thing she said. She said, I'm about nine and a half months pregnant. And so I will I've taken the job site on scene. And I would like for you to your husband and go to Michigan State to you know, see what it looks like first and also to get an opportunity for you to leave your home which is Syracuse as an assistant coach at the time and join me at Michigan State and so I go to Michigan State to for my visit. You know what, you know the strange people in a small thing is going on at that time. It's a It's a celebration, maybe Basketball team has just won the national championship. And so at the time, President Clinton was our president, and he was there. And Tom Izzo was showing him around and is hundreds and hundreds of people all over the place. And my husband and I were like, What is going on? We couldn't have made this a better situation. And through that whole media circus, Tom Izzo stopped what he was doing, and came over to me and said, I heard you're the person that coach Pete wants to hire first. And I said, Yes, he did. But I'm sorry, sir, you go into what you're doing. This is amazing. It was what was happening, they share with me that, you know, they've just won a championship. But that's not why he was there. He doesn't just want to win championships with Men's Basketball is the only sport in time, he wants to create a dynasty where everybody wins. And he said that if you come here, which was me and my husband, we have an opportunity to content create a dynasty. Because if you can recruit kids, like I recruit kids, we all can win. And so my husband, I like to call me, you know, it's, it's really neat that people that can see something bigger, within you earlier on prior to you really have a connection with them. And those three particular women saw something inside me, that kind of worked well, for them.
Paul Barnett 06:24
Talking about Syracuse, you graduated with a psychology degree. And so I'd like to ask you based on what you know, now, 33 years later, as a coach, what do you wish they would have taught you back then?
Felisha Legette Jack 06:39
You know, one thing that, you know, I was a pretty good student athlete, more athletes than stupid, you know, I don't think that, you know, I was really pushed to be the best student I could be. I certainly know my mom would have been disappointed had I not graduated and gave my best effort. But there was many times where it wasn't demanded that I gave my best effort as a student, I wish that people would have not looked at me just as, as a great athlete. And as a, as a coach. Now, I take that very seriously, we have this thing called cab, which is you got to have to have the best character, you're going to have to have to give me your best effort academically. And if you're not getting a 3.0, you're gonna get a tutor for every class, that you're under that in the basketball piece, we're gonna have to have a work ethic that is second to none. And I had a basketball work ethic that was second to none. I worked okay as a student. And now the character pieces wasn't just me not want to disappoint my mother. And it wasn't something that we was mandated by the people in charge at my institution of college. I wish that I would have been able to push that way a little bit more. I wish that Financial Peace would have been mandated for all student athletes, where we learn how to balance the checkbook. And, you know, coming from the inner city, there's no checkbook because there's not enough money to go in the bank. You know, we didn't have those luxuries of understanding that dynamic. And I think that, you know, we needed to do those things a little bit more, and create that atmosphere for all the students that at that time, I know that all the things that I wanted, you know, as a student athlete, I make certain I implement as a coach.[PB2]
Paul Barnett 08:30
Felicia, you've had a great journey as a coach, and there's been some ups and downs. And in fact, you've talked a lot about the mistakes you made as an early coach. In fact, I read that you apologize to some of the players from West Hills and Hofstra for some of the things that happened. I don't really want to go over that. But what I wanted to ask you is, what did you learn about listening that has helped you today as a coach from that experience?
Felisha Legette Jack 08:56
about listening? Yeah, yeah, you know, it's really I definitely listen, a lot. Put my passion superseded what I heard, and so you'll never get me to overtalk you. I've always was a listener. What my issue was that I really, really wanted people to understand me. And I my passion was so intense that I wanted every player that I ever coach Teague being way better than me, you know, just not just a little bit but way better than me. But I want to create the space so that their work ethic has to go beyond that. And what I realize is through my difficulties as a head coach, sometimes even now, the passion that I have is different than a lot of people. Anyway, no one no one can outwork me. No, I can Do it earlier, get it stay later, or really get after it, like me and when it's okay, you know, some a lot of people get their different differently than than me. But you know, I didn't have a lot of the tools that a lot of young coaches have now that can help you navigate your thought process to other people so that it can they can just become what they supposed to. But my crazy way of thinking, Oh, yeah, everybody can be great, everybody can be a superstar, everybody knew that I was gonna win a national championship at Hofstra, you couldn't tell me differently. All we got to do is outwork them, you know, all we got to do is outcome from all we got to do without thinking. So let's all put that all together. And young people were like, they saw just the coach that's pushing them with, you know, the weapon, the more again and again, and they never really saw me as the mother that I was or that the wife that was in the soft side that I had, because that was the least important thing for their dreams. And so what I've learned through this, through the, the apologies of the aggressive behavior that I have, for my young people who said, they really just need a hug, they just really needed to be told that it's just gonna be okay. And you know, this woman's basketball game, there's a period to it very quickly. It just, it will be but the one that the comma and the continuation that.dot.is what what you learn, cerebrally and how that can navigate you for the rest of your life. And I've got that aha moment ago, as we gotten older, but I wish that I could have been a better person when it came to just the Cisco to have like, I just came before I got on with you. I was like, What am I like, now former players, because she's graduating in, in five days, having breakfast with Hannah Hall, just sitting there and just shooting the breeze and, and laughing. And that was unheard of, for me when I was a younger coach.[PB3]
Paul Barnett 12:22
So you go from West Hills, Australia, then you head over to Indiana, big 10. And after six years and a 48% win, record, you part ways with them. And what I was really interested in reading about that you say, you vowed that you would be your authentic self next time round. And of course, you've started to talk about that. But I want to know what, Felicia, what stopped you from being your authentic self? Do you think,
Felisha Legette Jack 12:47
you know, when I got I went there for a couple of reasons what people didn't understand. I knew that hatred was very prevalent in the state of Indiana, not because you were better than me, or worse than me because you look different to me. And so I went there fully aware that I was going to be different, but I was gonna be in a position where everyone seemed to love basketball, I think, you know, Indiana was the mecca of basketball, I think New York City is the mecca of the world. And I think that Indiana is where people vision, basketball was actually made, which is not the place, but it became bigger than life. And here, I was going to be the woman's coach over there. And I was going to be a black woman there. And I was going to have people see the inner side of people instead of the outer side of people that have been wonderful[PB4] . Hey, our President and President Herbert, who's an African American, and a great ad, and Rick Greenspan, who really convinced me that we can move the mountain together. And now we're going to move the mountain even higher gentlemen, and Calvin Sampson, who is Indian, but he's also African American, in our mind. So he was, you know, guy of color. And so they are, they're doing some really great things by bringing all of this together at one time. And not only we're going to win championships on the basketball court, we're gonna really bring in some really fun people there to grow the academics and, and we're really gonna let people see that, you know, just about the content of the character. It's about the love that you have for each other. It's not about this black white thing it's about and so we went there and we were moving that mountain. Our first year. We, you know, a lot of kids quit the team, because they didn't come there play for me, and that was okay. We start we started our first year with six players. Now we want 20 games. We went to Notre Dame, we went to Kentucky and we beat them on their home court with 10,000 people. And we because people believed in me and I believed in them and I believed in what we were trying to create together that second year. We did great to you We took a dip 118 games to third year we tied the most wins in the history of the program, we're well on our way to create what I thought was an incredible time. And that third year is when everything changed in our men's coach got fired, or ad and our president, you know, took us spill till they had to be removed from their position. And I think what what I thrive on are people in the center, the bricks in the borders is the people. And when the gentleman that came in and took the job, from Rick Greenspan, maybe wouldn't have been a guy that hired me, and nor would I have been a person that would have said yes to Him. And so now we're in a situation you got a coach that's really, you know, changed the trajectory of which way, you know, I was seeing we were winners, then do I leave, which I was asked to leave by a couple universities? Or do I stay, you know, keep in mind, as my first year, Michigan, Indiana, Michigan State asked me to come back to be their head coach, and they threw everything at me, but I don't leave for a job because I worked for people. And I thought that those guys that brought me there was really, the people that I suppose to have helped for the reasons I share to, to change the world, basically, through the game. And so we turn that down, and then our ad, President gets fired, new people come in, I decided to stay. And now you know, things transpired. So my thing is, like, I wasn't ever afraid of losing part, or even a firing part is a decision making part of my end, from my heart that really, really made me feel like I wasn't being my, my authentic self, I felt like, you know, if I was going to grow smartly through this, this profession I chose, I had to do a little bit more cerebral. And so I never really, I really always, always think about my last three years at Indiana was, uh, you know, survive, cuz I don't know how to quit. And they didn't want to fire me at the time. And I made some, some tough hires that, you know, I gave up my heart again, because, because friends were out of jobs, and I gave them opportunities. And that's a formula for what came out of the last couple years of my success, my lack of success, or, and, or my success, because firing isn't always bad. It's just, when you're going through it, you feel like, you know, you die a slow death. But in retrospect, looking back, was the best thing that I ever did that ever happened to me outside of my husband and my son, due to the fact that learning curve became like, 100%, better. We really love from our heart. You know, and I done that heart thing, because I was so tough and hostile. Now I want to change and I'm gonna let people in. And then I go there, and I go all heart. And then I'm like, well, crap, my brain got me to Indiana. And you know, I just want those people to see me so authentic. And I never was that for them. They meet me in the grocery store. And they like, know, hey, you should have ran this. And you're right, I probably should have you know, where you should not miss what you're playing? I probably you might be right. You know, they were all right. And I never share with them the truth. Let me be the coach, I don't go to the engineering department. So let me pull this plug and see what if this work. So why are you in my job, you know, so we realized after being fired, that I kind of figured out how to put this thing all together. And this is where my authenticity came in here at University of Buffalo where my head is in the game, and my heart is in the game, my whole self is present. And whatever comes out of this presence, will have to accept
Paul Barnett 18:52
Well, when they hire you, they actually say there's an announcement, I'd like to read you the quote, because it's amazing. She's more focused on what these women think about her 20 years later than winning today. Because she's about the whole woman. It's an amazing quote, Felicia, thank you. What does success mean to you as a coach?
Felisha Legette Jack 19:14
Give me your best effort, you know, and that success. And then some people don't give their best effort because they might be frowned upon or how they look in during that process. Some people don't give their best effort, because what if I fail? You know, but I think that you know, what success is, is being able to leave that day and go to your mirror and be able to say, yeah, there was nothing left for that day. There was just nothing left. I left it all out there. And if it's there some thing that is left if he wakes you up, are God wakes you up in the morning, you check that box too. And to me it's as simple as that. I used to think it was grandiose, more grandiose isn't that you know, I was successes by my mom or how Success is getting us out of the ghetto successes, you know, fulfilling the role that my dad didn't serve, because he left when I was eight. All those things seem to matter so much more when I was younger. But at this ripe old age of 54, success is just giving your best effort.[PB5]
Paul Barnett 20:19
Let's talk about this definite because you start with buffalo in 2012. And by the third year, you're invited to the W nit, the next season you win your first ever ma c championship, and your NCAA tournament tournament berth. It's a great start. But what I want to ask you is if you can cast your mind back, what were the first things you did that set these results up?
Felisha Legette Jack 20:43
I agree. You know, I agreed to the process of losing opportunities have been that my whole self and and yet I brought to the table. Broken coach, you know, I had some amazing people around me that just really wanted somebody to say they loved them, and that they belonged. And I took over a team that won nine games. And I said if I can just bring effort, and energy and enthusiasm, maybe they cannot see the brokenness of this coach, and I need to figure out how to fix this, you know, and I just kept going. [PB6] And then Kristen Sharkey, who's still my assistant coach to this day, she was the first player that really just bought into if I tell her, I said, Tell her walk through a wall, and then you get to come back through it. If she would say which wall you say, coach, I didn't, I didn't remember which one you said. She would walk through a wall. And she just really was the foundation of someone that, you know, that the residuals of a broken coast, but was willing to sacrifice it off for me. And that's why I was very important that, you know, I bring her on my staff if I ever got that opportunity. And then I, I met a young lady Sierra Dillard, who was as broken as I was. And I think that was in year two or three. And she was playing over new mass. And we went out there and we played and we won. And I just helped her. I said, Man, I wish I had a chance to coach you, we didn't realize that she was going through a real tough time. And ended up thinking about transferring by the middle of that year. And she came over to play for me. So I had to show her what it was like to not be broken. And so my concentration wasn't about me it was about really trying to make certain she see some some real stuff. And we had a Stephanie Reed on the team who was like, hey, Coach, what can we do? We got some really fun players. And I think you know what would see your dealer coming here? They need in my wholeness has made me really complete myself and helped me pursue some things and before that, it was a Joanna Joanne Joanna Smith was our first second our second year person that I came here and her mother made her come to play for me. She said I don't know what he sees from Mississippi. She talks her family I don't know anything about money. I tell you what they call she gonna come play for you. I'm like, why? And there's something that these people saw me this like the lettuce species. And Barbara Jacobs and Joanne P. McCall is the parents of these kids who are saying yes to me more so than the kids. And I'm like, this is where I need to be. You know, so people like this. Here's mom convinced her complaint. A lot of people want to see her a lot of people want to Joanna Smith, who was from Mississippi. There must be something good about me, that don't make me belong here. So it was never about me being a great coach, and changing anything. It was just about me getting more and more full. And the brokenness was subsiding daily as we went through the process. And as you probably saw, like the first championship we won, you know, Stephanie hits the shot the running shot, I told her you have two dribbles and 3.4 seconds and just take take it take any any jumble you wherever you want. Just take two dribbles, and throw the ball in the air all gonna do is going over time, that's all she remember. And Cassie says the screen and after they sell out while they're celebrate, and I sit down, because that was my time with my God. And I just said thank you for allowing this to come to pass because as a as an assistant coach or head coach, I've never been to the NCAA Tournament. And through the firing and the grieving, if you saw fit for me to have this moment, and I sat there and I thank God and I afterwards they said the game's over you want I went out there and and we celebrated with the team.
Paul Barnett 24:49
Love, energy, enthusiasm, fun is a great word. But tell me what are your values as a coach
Felisha Legette Jack 25:01
value the whole woman, you know, I value all of it, you know, the rich kid who's never seen. because money is supposed to make the family happy, I valued a poor kid. Last one, it was a hug from a parent or a brother or sister, I value the the adopted kid who's in search or something that may not ever be found. value, you know, it all, you know, you come to me as your whole self, I'll present to you my whole self. And I think that if we can get something out of that better than it was yesterday, to me, that's why I do it. And that's why it doesn't feel like this is year 33. Because every single day, through that door walks a person that's in need of being valued. So I think young women, you know, have it worse than most. Because I think that we're pretty smart. I think that we're pretty compassionate, I think that we, we are undervalued. And therefore we undervalue ourselves. And what I think is, the most valued thing I can bring as a coach is to share with all of the, the whole kid that broken kids and the last kid is the ability to look in their eyes and let them know I see them, and that they matter. And from there, we'll figure out the rest of it. And I got a quote here, I keep next miss it, my certainty, it must be greater than everyone's doubts. And that's very important for young people, because it's so much doubt, and young women, that if you share with them that they are the best ever I see them, you're better. They fly and they flourish. And, and I just really enjoy the fact that I look back at all my players that I've ever coached that I think one kid has lost her way. And I mean, I'm talking about all the way back to Hofstra. And so that's what I value the most is the fact that I can help people find and feel their value. Even on days. I feel broken.[PB7]
Paul Barnett 27:24
Wonderful answer, Felicia, I want to just go from there into exploring this idea of it being about not about you, but being the athletes, because there's a great quote I've got here and you say it's never about me, my time was when I was a student athlete at Syracuse. And it was really awesome. And I made it about me. But as a coach, my journey is about how I can help serve other people. And I think you've talked about it a little bit, but I still like to ask the question, was there an event or a person that triggered this change to a more selfless view,
Felisha Legette Jack 28:03
view? You know, I just I, the person that, you know, is my, the best person I ever got the luxury, the privilege to honor to know as my mother. And you know, I know that she wished that she could have really went to college. She always shared with us that she went to college, she will make that the biggest thing ever, she really would have enjoyed that opportunity. She would really throw herself inside of that role of being that student, or even that athlete. She was a terrible athlete, but she always tried to think she was an athlete, and we got our skills from her. But she would throw that title. And I said every now and again, was her whole thing that she regretted that never happened was the fact that she didn't have a chance to go to college. And so through that process of getting that opportunity to go to college, I wasn't enjoy that experience. I was going to have the most fun ever. Because I think subliminally that's what mom would have done. You know, she would have had fun. She would have had a beer every now and again. But she would play the game with high octane and she would have been a pretty good she probably been a better student than me for sure because my mom was pretty smart. But when when the role of motherhood came and dad left, everything was about us. Everything. I see your wife, you know, she'll cook a meal for us and and she pretend that she's not hungry and you can hear stomach growl, but she want to make certain that her children was fed and they will continue sure you guys go, Oh, I was put to put together a plate now. But there was no food left to be the one to wash the dishes. And you know, she just really made it about us and we'd have games my brothers played and I played and it was one time Mike my brothers had an empire state game. He went I'm playing the Scholastic the other one plays an open. I played in the Scholastic league and another gym. But she came to every single game 31st half their second half of me third half. She goes She just made it happen. She'd come to our games at night, my games at night at seven o'clock. She's supposed to go like clean buildings at night, she'll come in my games and watch me play, that she'll go and clean the buildings at 1011 o'clock at night. Because they don't get to work to six in the morning. By the way, she had to be to work at six in the morning for her real job. And so that was I watched selfless on a constant basis, all my life. And so I had my fun in college, I had my funny little day after college. But if I was going to be in charge of somebody else's children, it was important that I throw myself into their life totally, and make it about them. And let them feel that same sense of sensation of what selflessness really looks like. I don't do it justice as much as she did my mom. But I certainly try to do it a little bit of justice by reminding myself every day. It's about the HANA halls, the car deals that join us, Mister, the people that come in front of me, even the players that quit on me, I still have an obligation if they call to help them along the way. Because the role model I had was the most selfless human being I ever had the privilege of singing. So that's where I get it from right now. I haven't certainly work in progress. But every day I try to get to just 1% better.[PB8]
Paul Barnett 31:30
Felicia, you strike me as someone that's got strong self belief. I know. It might just be outward we've never met before today. But you talk about these young women coming to you. And they're having challenges and they're growing and they're away from home and all the issues that go with being young and being on a sports team and in the campus. Have you got any tips? Have you found anything that's useful in helping others build self belief?
Felisha Legette Jack 31:59
No, I you know, I just think that it's important that young people really have their moments of understanding themselves. And in a lot of people want to fix people or share, this is what I did until this is gonna work. And I try not to go there. I try not to I try to meet them where they are. And they share with me what they think has been beneficial for them[PB9] . Okay, well, good example, one of my players has been offered an opportunity to coach at a higher level. And she turned the job down on two occasions already, I was on vacation. And she called me and said, You know, this job is going to offer me astronomical money. And I know I'm comfortable here, I think I can build this job that I'm doing. And I just said, you know, it's an opportunity financially saying change the trajectory of your family, a child's family, I think that you deserve that, you know, another zoom call with these people to see if this is something you want to do? Well, I come back to yesterday, when she texted me and she said she never did that third zoom, because it didn't fit my spirit coach. And I said, freedom. And she said, What do you mean? I said, God has allowed you the ability to have freedom to make your own choice, I gave you my opinion, you made your choice. I can't be more proud of this moment than I ever have been as your coach, or watching you in this business. I say go for what God is and know that he is real. And he's working through you. He's give me an opportunity to make decisions based on you hear you listen, but you made that decision. Look at you. And I and that's how I try to present where if you forced me to have an opinion, I will, what I want it to be your choice, I want to be able to support you through that the pain. And you might smell like I think appears a picture of my mom and says, You know what? Go forward, my fail, or you might fly. But it'll be your choice of yours. And so I try to make it about these young people, you know, to have choices. Some kids say, you know, coach, I think that this is not the place for me. I I don't want to be here anymore. Let me help you to get to the place you want to be. And we fight hard to get you to that place. You know, a couple of my players have decided they want to come back and they can't. But I tell them that because that you you know you're not worthy. It's just that you need to make that decision to continue to go forward. Let me help you to find the next place to go forward with but you didn't make the wrong choice. You didn't know that's not a bad thing. It's just that's the journey he's supposed to be on. So no, I don't I don't have an answer on what's the word I will use or the statement I make to help them find their way. I think the best thing that in my opinion is to allow people to evolve and say and become and fail and fly and succeed are for that. But the mirror is the only thing that matters most on this journey that we call life.[PB10]
Paul Barnett 35:10
Felicia, just one last question if we could. And before I ask it, I'd like to play back another quote I have from you, when you say, I think that it's my responsibility to these young people that I coach to let them know that I'm empowering you, not just to be a great basketball player, but to be a phenomenal woman. And so I wanted to finish by just asking 33 years down, maybe another 33 to go, who knows. But when you finish, what's the legacy that you want to leave as a coach?
Felisha Legette Jack 35:41
You know, the legacy that I hope to leave is that every person that spoke with me, pray for me, witness me feel that by being in my presence, they can become like me, but hopefully, better than me. And because I give people permission to be great. And I think that every young person that come to me or girls, and I think that every person I stay with me understand that it's no one can call you a girl by your freshman year, because at 18, you become old enough to fight in the war. So young ladies, and by the by 21, when your brain 25, when your brain is fully developed, you've lived enough life where you believe that anything that you do, cannot just be good enough, but extraordinarily enough, that it can become phenomenal. And I pray that, you know, by me, just being present and within myself and be my 100% authentic self, that everybody that comes across to me realizes that they too can become and that they too matter and not just being really good, I can be phenomenally great. And as a woman or a man and so that's my dream[PB11] . Everyday I wake up and I feel tired. Sometimes. I say you know what, that one person I might meet at the corner store might need to be encouraged by my energy, about how amazing he or she might be. So I got to get myself together before I leave this shower in his bathroom and a little eyeliner on. I got to get my energy right because they need me to be all I can be so they can become while there he has for them to become.
Paul Barnett 37:28
Felicia get jack. It's been a privilege to spend an hour with you today. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you all all the best for a break potentially over the offseason and good luck for next year in your 34th year.
Felisha Legette Jack 37:42
All the best to you two young daughters. They have an incredible phenomenal human being in their presence every day. Your humility, your energy has enlightened me to to really feel comfortable enough to tell my story. They're very lucky to have you as a dad. So thank you