The Great Coaches Podcast Episode 028
Wed, 2/10 11:25AM • 46:16
SUMMARY KEYWORDS
players, coach, netball, team, important, coaching, south africa, play, stage, game, africa, losing, question, problem, person, speak, opportunity, plummer, discipline, sport
SPEAKERS
Jim Woolfrey, Paul Barnett
Paul Barnett 00:01
Welcome to the great coach's podcast.
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To me, being perfect is not about that scoreboard after
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this is a chance you can understand the person and you can then work towards a common goal. We
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are all on the same team. Now you do it to the best your ability to focus on the fundamentals. We've gone over time and time again, has got to be better. We've known
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great moments are born and great
Jim Woolfrey 00:32
opportunity. My name is Jim Woolfrey. And you're listening to the great coach's Podcast, where we explore leadership through the lens of elite sport by interviewing great coaches to try and find ideas to help all of us lead our teams better. Our great coach on this episode is doret barnehurst door it is the head coach of the South Africa netball team, the spa Proteas she started her coaching journey at 13 years old coaching grassroots tennis with her father. whilst working as a teacher. at Auckland Park Primary School, she started coaching the school's netball teams. Whilst at university she was selected to play for the South African under 21 team However, after sustaining a number of injuries, the door open for her to coached varsity netball. In 2012. She was appointed head coach of Northwest University, winning the varsity netball title back to back in 2015 and 2016. In 2017. n Wu won the USA tournament. Dorit has coached both the South Africa under 19 and under 21 team, she was part of the coaching technical team as an assistant coach under normal Plummer, where South Africa placed fourth in the 2019 netball World Cup. She was appointed to the head coach role of the South African National Team in October 2019. Door it is a coach with high expectations, but the empathy and energy to work together with her athletes to help achieve them. She believes that hard work and dedication make a difference to how you use your talent. And in this episode, she shares her experiences in helping grow the Proteas on the world stage. The elements of the interview that spoke the most to me were as a leader, there is a small but important difference between being the athletes friend and coach. But the difference is an important one. And you have to manage it carefully. If you're to be effective, the difference between pressure at the national and international level and the way some players can cope with it better. And the role that positivity and belief play in building culture within a team. This is a wonderful conversation. And I hope you enjoy it as much as Paul and I did the great coaches podcast. Good morning Dorrit barnehurst, and welcome to the great coaches podcast.
03:10
Good morning.
Jim Woolfrey 03:12
Thank you for making your time available to speak with me today. It's a real pleasure to chat with you. But before we do that, can I just start by asking where are you in the world? And what have you been up to this week?
03:24
I'm in Johannesburg. I'm saying you just busy with a lot of webinars and zoom meetings. And we planning and we changing again and we then we plan again. So things are changing all the time. Like you're keeping myself busy and with more admin stuff on the coaching side and not really on code at this age.
Jim Woolfrey 03:48
Yeah, the environment that we're all living through at the moment is creating these new ways to connect in these new ways to communicate. And I'm sure that's been quite different in the sports environment for you. How have you found these moments?
04:00
In the beginning, it was actually fine to have a little bit of race time because we had a really hectic program coming back from an England of the vitality series. And then I went immediately into development and also in our performance programs are being taught in school coaches and also my performance coaches throughout the country. So I've traveled a lot and then everything stopped. So big difficult to connect with our players because we only knew in the coaching and we haven't had really a chance to meet our players or the bigger group yet because immediately often that being an artist SCOTUS, we went into the Africa Cup, and then into the England play series in South Africa and then going to England for the vitality series. So for me, it was quite disappointing not to have my training camp that I was supposed to have in April.
Jim Woolfrey 04:58
You have had an impact. pressive Korea and journey as a coach, and have worked with some of the great coaching names in the world of netball, Marlene Wagner, at least quite New Zealand's Lynn Gunson, Australians, Jill McIntosh. And most recently, Norma Plummer. What has working with these great coaches taught you?
05:23
I've learned a lot from every coach and every coach is different. And it's very important that you need to take something from a coach by then change what you believe in. So for me, and how I coach did 20 years ago, is definitely different from I'm quoting now, and years ago to growing through all those experiences. And I think it's just great having this opportunity to learn. And the biggest advocate gave it to me from a very young age, actually, because I started coaching at Eastern and nine themes. And at the end of the day, you learn from every coach you come across. So at one stage, I went to England 14 days, and we worked with Lynn Gunson The, the so many coaches actually, as a very, very young coach, I work for at least quarter on her form, wish she did go to the and every Friday of the school, I went there until Sunday. And I've coached and that is just the passion that I put coaching and learning from every coach and you can take something good and you can type something that you need to change from a record. And that is the main thing. You shouldn't be that coach, you need to stand in your own shoes. But you can learn a lot from these coaches.[PB1]
Jim Woolfrey 06:41
Direct your dad is also a coach, and you've said that he was your inspiration to be a coach, what was it about his coaching that did that for you?
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know, I grew up in a home but we family is very important. So my dad is a person that is for people, he just loves to be between people. He loves the sport. He loves coaching. And from a very young age, I've seen this with him. And he was a coach that actually started helping the beginners. And when they were at a certain stage, he will say anything to better coaches or coaches that will work with a more experienced players. And for some reason, my dad always gave me the beginner beginner players. And I just enjoyed seeing the change that you can make in that player from a very, very young age. And my dad was just that motivation for me. And sometimes you think, no, I'm too busy at school. I'm too busy with this. And you will say, if you start something you will finish and that and I've always learned from my dad that with sport, your name is so important. You can't and if you do something, and that is bad against your name that will go forever with you. But with sport, and my dad, I just realized that people is important. It's not about me, it's what I can do for other people to change and give them opportunity to develop the potential and sometimes it was a kid that will only the ball once that afternoon, and it will be great for that player. But you need to realize what the goals of each player is and what they want to achieve. And then you help them to achieve that because not everyone wants to become a bricklayer and pliers.[PB2]
Jim Woolfrey 08:36
This ability to help a young person unlock their potential is something I'd like to explore a little bit further with you. Especially in your transition into becoming a netball coach. You were a school teacher, you coached school, netball, then varsity netball, and now netball at the elite international level. You've also spoken often about the lessons being a teacher has given you and so my question is, how have these lessons helped you on your coaching journey?
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I think it's very important that you should realize as a coach and being a teacher, a coach is not only a goat your teacher you psychologists you the mom the you and the supporter you sometimes when they go through difficult situations, you the person that should help them and teach them what is discipline you teach them to do time management[PB3] . So as a teacher and I wasn't at a school that was very privileged so we worked with players that were coming from our area around the school I didn't buy or gave bursaries to place to come to my school. But I realized that in every school they sell it and what you going to do with them because when I started the neighbor was like one team They didn't really play in a league, they was actually more technical boys school and with a few nipple players and girls in the school, and it changed in my state for 13 years at this school. And I got a lot of opportunities to go to the famous schools that I decided, God placed me at this spot, and I have to work here. And you as a coach need to realize that sometimes it's not an easy job to coach, you need to actually give a guy opportunity to improve the talent they send out there, but you need to go to and sometimes it's really odd work. But what I realized from teaching is you're there for that client is such a small difference on in being that player's friend, and being the coach, because that line is so important[PB4] . And for me, I'm a very, I've got my spice around me, I'm not a very Huggy type of person. But it's very important that you throughout the clause situation in every way, and that play, and learning needs to know that you're there for them, and you will help them to become that next level employer. And with school and being in a school system. I just enjoy teaching because you so much closer to the players, you know them. They've got confidence, but I was very strict teacher. So the boys always thought that the goals, how can you like this couch? Because when they got into my claws, I was a young teacher, it was matric boys, and you need that discipline. So I actually enjoyed the teaching really a lot. And I think with the disciplining my claws are also you create respect between players. And yes, coach, and I think that is a very important thing.
Jim Woolfrey 11:56
I've often heard you speak in interviews about the belief the South African netball team has built itself on, you've used the phrase when we fall we rise again. And so how would you describe your coaching philosophy?
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Now my philosophy about coaching is, first that it's not about you, it's about the player. And for me, I want to give every person out the opportunity to become the best that they can be not, it's not about your circumstances, it's nothing about and where you grow up. If you're if you reach or if you put if you, if you've got talent, you need to get the opportunity to develop that talent to become the best that you can be. And it's not always the talented players that come and go through and become the bass players. But it's those players that's dedicated. So for my my philosophy is just to go out there and be really, really a coach, that is the four players. And it's not about me, I don't want to give the credit, I will take the blame for a lot of things that will go wrong. But I want to give that players the best best opportunity. And I will work really hard for that. Because I don't think there's an easy road to success.[PB5]
Jim Woolfrey 13:22
I'm interested if there are any non negotiable areas in there for you,
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oh, discipline may never be light, and my players will know I will leave them at the towel if they light. And so for me, that is where everything stored respect stored for me, because if you have respect for me, and I have respect for you, I won't be late for a training session. So you won't be late to get on the bus going for a training session or late for my session and when you come from home. So for me that is a really a crucial thing. My players will know that if I say we will start at nine, they will be the 15 minutes before. So that is the first thing that I I believe in is discipline and also discipline on core discipline off code and respect. Yeah, that is a huge thing, especially with all the cultures that we've got around us. And if you don't have respect for each other, you will never have a culture in your team that you can actually grow as a team.[PB6]
Jim Woolfrey 14:28
I'd like to come back to your comments about the diversity of your team a little later. But I'm wondering if you could share a little more about how you brought this philosophy to life in the squad. And I'm asking because you took over from an iconic coach in Norma Plummer. How have you been able to find that line between the development of the past but also re energizing the team to look forward under your leadership?
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I was in a great position in the scenes of 2016, Naples, Africa decided to identify a few coaches and we got turns to work with plum and Nick. And we also went to all the training camps in South Africa, they went a lot. But the few that we had in South Africa, we were allowed to join them in the sessions. And the year, starting January, and it was to advocate actually announced me as the South African coach, because they were all in Australia. And I had a, we had a few plays in South Africa, and some in Australia, and one two in England. And at that stage, oh, really took over the responsibility of training all the players in South Africa, because plan didn't come to South Africa in 2019, the beginning of the year, because we make in Wales for the, for the World Cup. So it was my responsibility to train those players. And we also played as a team in the empty empty in our taco nikoli. And we grew that. And it was not only the Protea team, and we had a number of 16 1718. In our group, also, working with me, I went to them, I trained them, I had a lot of sessions with the players inside Africa. So when we went to Wales to meet the the players coming from Australia, and as from this side, then I actually worked a lot with those players already. So when I took over from plum, it was a difficult situation, because remember, I lost do players clicktight Michael Tarzan and Aaron burger, they were both starting lineups, and poomsae. And Carla wasn't available for that Africa gap. We went into play Malawi and Uganda that played with 90% of the players that went to World Cup. So that was a huge challenge for me, and not being able to select new players, really, I don't have a camper, we just went in a week before Africa. And that started. And I just realized that there's nothing It needs to change. Because this group of players, yes, we brought in two, three players. But most of those players work with me and work with them. And luckily, most of these players played for me either. So 19 is only 21 or so universities. So they knew me, they knew me. So it was quite easy to build on the trust that was really big. And they believed in me, and they never thought of that we want them back. So everything was quite easy going through for me, it's difficult, because like you said, plum is a great coach, and you don't want to disappoint but you want to move forward. And you don't want to just stay on the things that was important for plan. But you also need to bring in your style and what you believe in. And I think it really went well. With boondi as my captain, she's just an amazing person. And the support, the way we work together, our leadership group with management is just so important. And we've learned that from plumb and bringing that leadership group in Bungie really helped us a lot in that seats.[PB7]
Jim Woolfrey 18:33
You mentioned in there losing some of the experience in the squat, which would mean that other players would now need to take on or step up into a leadership role, or take on more senior leadership responsibilities. And so my question is on developing players for those three mental toughness. And not that long ago, the squad went through a mental toughness workshop. And so my question is, how is mental development evolving the role of a coach?
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Yeah, for me, even in that first African Cup, the first tournament that we came in, I had a sports psychologist that came in to help us with our team. For me when it comes to mental toughness. I believe that playing at an international level is so different from playing in our national league[PB8] . And in South Africa. The players that's playing currently in Australia and in England, they playing against the best in the world. So the more they play against these players, the more they give confidence. And when they go on good. They believe that they also are good enough. But the problem in South Africa is we don't give enough players opportunity to participate at the international level. So for me as a coach, it's very important that we start getting that next level of players also opportunities To play at international level that they can experience that type of tension stress that you will have when you go on court because it's different, the pressure is so much more, you've got millions of people watching, there's no easy game. And remember all our games that we played, so for our ranking games, so it's not easy to give your second lineup a chance to play because it's all about ranking points, and you want to win this game. So you need to give more opportunity to these players. Because if they're not going to play more at an international level, we they will we will never know. Is this player, a type of player that can cope at international level or not? And will she be able to maybe with more opportunities become better and better because I saw players that is that's brilliant at a national level at our national church. But as soon as they go on to the national platform, they collapse, they've gone take that pressure. That is the biggest problem at this stage mental toughness is we're not going to get that those plays tough enough to participate in the national level if we're not going to give them experience at that level. And I want to change that. Because if you look at the score growth your team, you've got seven eight players that in the last four years really had enough game time at international level. The others were on the bench and yes, some players learn from the bench. Others just don't like to be on the bench. And at the end of the day, if we can give those players more opportunity to learn and get that international experience, then we will see how they can take pressure that for me as a new coach now to bring in someone new and just hope she's going to go at that level[PB9] . I knew that I brought her into maracas place and mula feabhra because she was part of my is anything you want scratchy like CD, lose a lost art because of injuries and then go to the world view. But you know, the February's there, five offers to Maliki there, cheez it. Sometimes it's a problem because she's a perfectionist, everything must go 100%. But at least she's very disciplined. And I know if I dial in, listen, we need to work on a shooting average of a 90 95%, that will be a goal. And it's easier to go to a player like that. But there's so much talent out there. And I take a player like a boogie board Bongo. And that played for me at 21 level. She needs discipline, she's got the talent, she's got everything, but she don't have the discipline. So the more you're gonna give these players opportunity and experience at the international level, you will see what do you need to change in place? And how can you develop these slides because every player in that sport right here, on the
Jim Woolfrey 23:07
front door, if I can build on this mental toughness theme a little bit further with you, the results of a game of netball can come down to very small margins, the chance for South Africa to play in the 2019 World Cup final came down to just two points. So my question is, how best can a coach approach shifting player mindset that these higher ranking teams are beatable?
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You know, that is, I think one of our problems at this stage and years ago, you need to make sure that your team, if they, they need to get out of that at one stage, I coach, my university team, and every year, we will lose by one by two. And we just couldn't break through. And you know, you want to blame the umpires, you want to blame this and you want to blame that. Then you decide, listen, we need to make a change in our way of thinking. Because if you're going to keep on thinking that we don't get players like the other teams in the sense of the quality of players, we need to actually work so much harder when it comes to coaching. If you start looking at those things, it's wrong. You need to decide, I'm going to take on this challenge. And you need to decide how the winning culture in your team. If the moment you change that you talk positive that you actually speak that win onto your team. That is when you start going through that because as soon as they worried about losing and they think about losing they're going to Leeds so that is the problem in South Africa. And sometimes we have that culture. We feel sorry for ourselves. We don't have the opportunities like Australia, New Zealand and England and we Not professional, we're not this, we don't get to get the same amount of time together with our team, like other teams, and we'll get and things like that. And we need to change that attitude. We need to go in and believe that we can win. And as soon as you start believing in that, and you give your players that confidence, that you're good enough to play against the best in the world, then you will start winning. But if you focus on the wrong things, and you focus on the negative things, then you will never be at the top[PB10] .
Jim Woolfrey 25:36
In preparation for today, I watched a press conference you gave, and it was one of the last questions from that media group that I saw you really light up. The question that was asked isn't something I want to explore. But how you responded is you talked about culture and accountability. As a coach, trying to improve a team's culture and accountability. What is your advice to other coaches on what they should be doing?
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I think it's very important when it comes to culture, that you involve your team. This is not a management decision. If you're going to start to say to the place, this is our values, this is important for the team, this is how it's going to happen, you will never get results. So team culture is thought at the team work management setting together and deciding what is important, what vertical, we're going to follow what will make you happy in this team. And like we did in our team and plan that played a big role in this, we say, but we need to make sure that we know exactly what is important for these players. It's not what's important for me, it's what is important for the players. And if we can have a happy family, and we can respect each other and what is important for each other, then we can have a great goal to our team.[PB11] And respect, especially because we are different in our team countability for me, very, very important because, and we at some stage in our in our Maple inside Africa, it was just fine. If you lose a ball, it's fine if there's a bad boss. And what I realized a lot becoming a national coach, that margin between winning and losing is all about that one or two bad bosses. It's that one Singapores that you've lost, that will be the result at the end of the day. And players need to know that mistakes happen. Yes. And we can immediately adapt and we go for the onto the face. But we also need to take accountability on what is important for the balling end. So for me now, when I go to all the different coaches in the country, I really want to emphasize, go notice that what is your turnovers against what is your position lost, what is your position gains, because that is the difference between the two to three top teams in the world at this stage. And and when I got my isana 21 team before we'll use, we were on 5055 bit position losses turnovers against us in a game. But our defense must to our defense, we're always that they were the group of players that needs to change a team's result. And that won't work at international level. And that is the change that we need to make from playing at national in South Africa and play an international level. That margin for mistakes is so small. And for me accountability on code, but also accountability. Of course, we this team wants to win. It's about 12 players against them to make it this combination will work but against Australia that won't work. So the next lineup will be important. If that is not important for you to be bored of that 12 then you've got a problem in your team. So for me that whole team effort is very important there. That's a thing that I want to emphasize in my team. So everyone is important, and everyone's should take accountability even if you weren't on board at that specific game[PB12] .
Jim Woolfrey 29:31
You spoke then about the team combinations and selection choices you have made for games. Finding that right balance in a team as a coach is never easy. Selection decisions need to be made as well as decisions on how much game time a player gets. There are times where players aren't always able to see that bigger picture of when these decisions are made or when they are being made and sometimes they react many not so well. So what I'd like to explore with you is this area of disruptive influence. How have you or perhaps more specifically, what is your advice for coaches looking to manage disruptive peer pressure within a team?
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That is so for me, very difficult to say because in this fabric is at this stage, you have a really a lot of different personalities. So we will have one on one meetings with our players to make sure that we know exactly how they feel, what makes them happy, what is disappointing for them. So at this stage, we trying to get that gap that maybe is there this stage to really know how players are thinking, because some players want to offer the game give immediate feedback, some, just leave me for that moment. So you as a coach needs to know your players and how they react uncertain and feedback. So for me, it's at this day to really important and I don't have the time with my team that I want with my team, that I can have more of this[PB13] . And lucky now in this lockdown time, you can communicate and you can start knowing your players a little bit better, because I think every player is different, and the personalities are different. And you can't treat everyone the same. So for me, I think that is the first thing I need to make sure that I know how to approach every player because you can't handle or can't treat or can't coach every player the same. For selection for game, we will bring in our leadership group. For me, it's really important that I want to hear what the players are feeling. And sometimes, like Bungie will say to me go to your remain is it's a brilliant combination. At this stage, I think you need to start with a with him. And I will say back give me reasons why I will challenge them getting some feedback from them. So they've got a communication in our leadership group, taking it to the players as well and not only go to the site, this is the seven employees going into the first one ever, actually involving the players as well. And we've got a leadership group of about four players and me and the assistant to do Sony and then we will make the decision, I need to take the responsibility at the end of the day. And that is why I want to get the feedback from the players and will involve them but I will make the decision that they
Jim Woolfrey 32:44
netball at the elite level is a highly energetic and exciting sport to watch. In other sports like say basketball, we actually see coaches almost becoming the extra player on the court, calling the plays directing the team. And yet the netball games I've watched with you as head coach, you always seem very calm and composed on the sidelines. With all that energy both on and off the court. Are there any routines or systems that you use to maintain calmness? either before or during a game?
33:22
Yo, I want to say it lukewarm but inside of me, and I promise you I'm not gone. Yeah, for me, that is a thing. From the moment I started teaching and coaching from a very young age. And I like to give feedback on from my players. And you won't believe at one stage. I didn't say a word next to the court, I will sit in the corner. I'm not the type of person that will scream and shout them. I like to make eye contact sometimes with the play, I want to help them and but I will just sit in the corner and watch. But what I didn't realize is my body language. So say for instance, that was a bad boss, I will drop my head. And at that stage, a player will immediately Look at you. So my players say to me, yo, we feel like if you drop your head, it's like the wolf is going to him for us. And at that young age, I realized that how either you need to give feedback, but it's how you do it. And your body language will play a huge role on that bench because as soon as you make it IV or aggressive or you feel like you're losing this game now and you start losing composure and everything, then your team will be very nervous and when perform. So for me I'm really trying I'm not always getting a drive, but I'm really trying to take a beat in my hand and write things down rather than trying to share because I can't hear you anyway, but immediately when they on the beach, give feedback And not a lot of feedback that they can concentrate on one on one or two things. But yes, I try to try to stay calm, I will be a bit alone at some stage, I just want to be alone on my own.[PB14] And I will think about everything and what game plan we should do and how I should adapt. if things aren't going right, I'll play the game through before we start. And I want to be a little bit on my own, just thinking about the game. So I think that's a way I'm not listening to music or anything like that. I like to just speak to my family before again, just knowing that I've got the support, because at some stage as a go to thing, when you go back and you haven't won one of the games, you're only people, the only people like still love you use your family. But yeah, it's a it's a thing that I realized that you need to stay calm next to the court. And I'm trying to and I'm sometimes doing it wrong in the sense of keeping it inside of me. And you sometimes just get me to get on that treadmill and just also run or get on the bicycle and just cycle to just get rid of all that space inside of you that you shouldn't show it to the players.
Jim Woolfrey 36:22
I like to move back to the topic we touched on earlier with diversity. All South African sports teams have diverse squads the spa protein is no different. However, along with cultural diversity, your list also consists of professionals, semi professionals, full time students, and players holding down jobs outside of netball. And so my question is, what advice do you have for coaches in managing such diversity in their teams?
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Yeah, that that is a huge challenge, I want to say because you've got your players, like you said, that's in a professional situation, and they want to actually come back to the fit. And you need to work with those players, because they can't expect that everything should be the same as in the teams playing in Australia, because it's not. So it's not only the person that is a student, or in a full time job that needs to adapt. It's also your professional players that need to do that. But for me, it's very important that you need to know that you can't like I said before, you can't treat all your players the same because all players have different circumstances. And you've got your students that have a lot of time, they can go anytime three times a day and just go and train, it's got your full time working players, that is going to gym at four in the morning to be in time to teach at school will catch the afternoon, then after a long day of teaching and working and coaching, they will come to training. And you as a coach need to know Mr to handle that situation. Because not all players will have the same type of energy. They've got kids at home, they've got husbands at home. So it's a really, it's a difficult situation, I'm not going to say that this is easy. But if you as a team can talk and apply, like a student, or full time worker can say, but ladies, this is a challenge for me. I can't do X, Y and Z. And we can also learn from the players that's playing in Australia in England, because we can take a lot of that and players will bring that to us and say, Can we try this, this is working for us. They currently maybe adapt this a little bit to work for our team. So I think us as a coach, I will adapt by doing maybe individuals with players that isn't full time and jobs, working weekends where they are in the work not able to train. So I will add that as a coach as well, because you can't just expect the players to always be there because they will have challenges as as players. But I think it's also important to bring players together. And as a team, we work out challenges. And if you have a problem when the communication between players and the management should be so good because if you're not going to say there's a problem, we won't know it. And I think that is we at this stage we actually had a good place because players will know the leadership group is B and they can speak to the leadership group and the leadership group knows that anytime they can sit and talk to management and say this is a problem for us or this is a challenge for us[PB15] . And this is something that we want to do that can be positive and we will then go to Naples Africa and Try and keep this to our players. So I think it's all about communication. Coaches also. And like I said, we we all different, but if we respect each other and what is important for each other, who's had a problem in the case series with her son, that mom is looking after his family's looking off their son, and suddenly, you know, the family problems and the son is, and we had to arrange some way for boomslang to be with a son for a day. So it's a little things and if you respect each other in that, and you can adapt, I think that is very important because you can't have this rules, and only the rules is going to be how are we going to feed players?
Jim Woolfrey 40:48
direct, you've been very generous in speaking with us today. And so this is my last question for you. Whilst I was preparing for this discussion, I found this wonderful quote that you said, netball is my life. It's my passion. I just love coaching. I love making a difference in players lives, giving them an opportunity to be the best they can be. Those are very powerful and really inspiring words. And so my question is, what's the legacy you believe you are leaving as a coach,
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my legacy must be that first, I want to give as many players as possible opportunity. I really my plan that I gave to Naples, Africa, I asked for, even for a second team to to internationally and get opportunities. So here, they must remember me as a person that was always there to help. I want to be there for coaches, I want to be there for players. And they must remember that not any problem, gaming the way for me to help players to become the best and coaches to develop as coaches. Because for me, it's very important that we develop coaches, because I can't work with all the players in the country, I need coaches to help me develop these players. I want them to remember me as a person that I'm not married to, I think that's the reason why because I'm always on the need for growth. And it's always just giving my everything to nipple and my family supporting me. And with that, and yeah, I just want to leave that legacy of It's hard work, but be the full players be the full people[PB16] . It's not about you, it's what you give it what you put out there, that people will remember you it's giving everything you know, you should give up there because then you will learn more, and you will never stop learning. So yeah, that's, uh, I think what legacy I will leave. And I want to thank all the coaches, they've played a role in my life. And Joel McIntosh was the first coach. And when I started provincial coaching at senior level, she was actually my main coach inside Africa, giving me my first feedback. So it's, it's so many coaches that that's out there that I've learned from and I want to actually tell this to the coaches out, they never stop learning, and you can think good and things that you want to change from every coach out there. So it's a process of never, never stop learning. And because if you if you think you know everything, you will never be a great coach.
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The pursuit to never stop learning is such a great way to finish off Dorrit, it has truly been an honor speaking with you today. And as an Australian sports fan, I have learnt the hard way to never underestimate a South Africa team in any sport. And I'm positive that the spa pro tears will challenge the very best in the world leading up to and in the netball World Cup in 2023. And I can only wish you and the squad every success. Thank you so very much for your time.
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Thank you very much for this opportunity. It
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was great speaking to the great coaches podcast.
Paul Barnett 44:25
Hi, everyone. It's Paul here and you have been listening to our discussion with the head coach of the South African netball team, direct Baden Hurst. I hope you enjoyed listening to direct views on the importance of hard work and dedication in fulfilling potential. Towards the end she says that culture is not a management decision. And this got me thinking about my own team and how we talk about the work environment we want to create independent of the broader organizational culture. I also enjoyed directs views on the importance of discipline in helping form routines. How she is prepared. take the blame when things don't go well. And the connection between discipline and respect. South Africa is such a proud sporting nation. And you could really feel that energy and pride come through in this interview. In our next episode, we will be speaking to Wimbledon. Roland Garros champion, Yan kadesh.
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You know what I like to say by this? I don't like I don't like the trainers, because everybody, for example, some players say I have to have a trainer with me on the circuit, because he wakes me up in the morning, and he pushed me to go to run. I say, I mean, no one is going to wake up Nadal and Nadal, you have to go practice and you have to go gym and you have to have it in yourself inside. And if you don't have it inside, you never become a champion.
Paul Barnett 45:50
And just before we go, coaches are not usually the type of people who seek the spotlight. And so if you can put us in contact with a great coach that you know has a unique story to share, then we would love to hear from you. You can contact us using the details in the show notes.
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