Steve Glasson Edit

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SPEAKERS

Paul Barnett, Steve Glasson

Paul Barnett 00:00

So Steve glass, and it's lovely to meet you.

Steve Glasson 00:02

Are you too, Paul, thanks all the way from Prague to Sydney as is wonderful. So thank you for the opportunity to be part of your podcast series. And I'm looking forward to following them and learning a bit out of them, as well from some of the other coaches. There's no better feeling for coach than to listen and hear from other coaches. Certainly tuning in, for sure.

Paul Barnett 00:19

Thanks, Steve. I hope they're interesting enough to hold your attention anyway. Let's see, here we go.

Steve Glasson 00:23

I'm sure they will be. So Steve, I

Paul Barnett 00:25

wanted to start with a quote. I was fascinated when I was preparing for this interview, I was fascinated to read where you said, unlike tennis, or golf, where if you play Federer or Nadal, you're not going to get on the scoreboard, balls is uniquely different. It's really a level playing field. And anyone can beat anyone. And I thought this was such a fascinating idea. So I wanted to start with a very simple question is in this kind of situation, what is the role of a coach in your sport? Yeah, so

Steve Glasson 00:54

Well, I'm very privileged, very honored to be the coach of the Australian team of the Australian squads and our HP System. So we have a tremendously broad spectrum when it comes to our system. And it culminates in having the elite and world class Australia's ranks are the number one in the world. So that's fantastic. It's very, very competitive. But we also delve into things like the emerging players of talent ID parasport players, we have a senior series, which is over 60s. So it's a really broad spectrum, and I guess, bowls throughout the bowling world, which is primarily Commonwealth countries, or see the sport for those mature age participants, I think the average age of the Australian side here as well under the Australian cricket team, as an example. So it's a very young brigade, mostly in their 20s. And we've got teenagers coming through the sport in the 20s, and 30s, and things like that. So it's fascinating. But for me, the coaching role is so broad again. So a lot of it's got to do with people management, I think that's the critical ingredient. We're very lucky in the fact that we receive players when they're already developed in most cases, or well developed. And with that, it's basically fine tuning them to be better at what they do condition specific.[PB1] So if they play say, here in Sydney, Australia, will provide generally certain types of conditions. Were also already gearing up for Birmingham Commonwealth Games in 22, where the conditions are vastly different. So it's sort of manipulating their game, technically and tactically to best suit those conditions. But obviously, it's getting to know the individual, I think that's the critical ingredient, we have the most fascinating conversations about all sorts of things that occur off the green or off the playing rink. So it's really just getting to know them[PB2] . And the fundamentals are basic.

For me, I'm a very simple person when push comes to shove, but we want these players to hopefully realize their dreams in the sport. And that's not always going to happen. We're realistic about it. But we want them to leave the sport with a great legacy. And also the fact that they become better people for being a part of it. Wonderful sport ambassadors, wonderful ambassadors for their own last name, their their partners, maybe their corporate sponsors, just this whole picture. So but just to come out of a better people for it is a big plus. And that's one of our big drivers in the actual program,[PB3]

Paul Barnett 03:03

talking to other coaches that are in Commonwealth Games or Olympic sports, there's a heavy pressure on them to deliver a certain number of medals. But I've heard you talk about things very differently. Yeah, you said that it's not about me. It's about the world. Yes, I'll probably

Steve Glasson 03:19

shouldn't say publicly, but it kind of is about the middle. So we have some wonderful stakeholders and the Australian Institute of Sport and Commonwealth Games, Australia, and sports Australia, and they really fund our programs. And actually, in consultation with them. We set KPIs for these benchmark events, and there's lows and highs. So we try and always exceed those. But in the back of my mind, I've never said this publicly, it's just between you and I, Paul, but I really don't look at them. I don't look at the KPIs. Because I think if you start looking at the KPIs and that sort of environment, you start beginning to focus on the outcome, rather than natural process. So there's things we have to put in place that will basically ensure good results, I mean, there's always the bounce of the ball and things that can interfere and speed bumps along the way. But if we can prepare properly, have good plans in place and have contingencies for different things that can influence our performance, whether it's on the playing field or not, someone's going to have to come out and do something quite remarkable across the board with all their different disciplines to stop us achieving those goals. If that makes sense. That's the way I look at it. [PB4] So there's certainly KPIs there and we are a performance orientated program, but sort of put them in the cupboard and leave them. And I don't think the players need that pressure on them as well. I mean, it I suppose in the back of my mind, it's there, but it's going through the processes and those processes now sporter and nine hour days in benchmark events for potentially two weeks, 10 days, things like that. So you can't in my way of thinking, make it too complicated. So just get on with the business do ply yourself to what you do best. Have strategies in place. And majority of times it doesn't always work. I guess that's the same in, in anything in life, whether it's family or business or whatever. It doesn't always work. You learn from your mistakes, and we make plenty, but we've got really good People involved too, that have specific skills that help drive this as well, which is excellent. So very, very basic theories, I guess on the whole thing.[PB5]

Paul Barnett 05:07

It sounds basic, but it must be very difficult to execute. And I understand when we were emailing to prepare for this, you sent me some notes in one of the things you said was that trust or slash confidentiality is one of the biggest ticket items, as far as you're concerned. Could you just explain why

Steve Glasson 05:24

in this environment, when you're having those people, those one on one interactions with in my case, elite people, you really want to get to know you want to know what makes them tick, what drives them, what can be a gap with him or her a bit of a gap analysis or the sort of stuff that could influence their performances, so they're really getting to know them. And that means breaking things down, that means being very transparent. But within that, then it's not a conversation that you go and have with others about the intricacies of that conversation. So some might see it as a burden, I see it as great honor to know a lot of very applies and really personal stuff at time. So to build that trust up takes a long time. And I think to build that up, you've only got to balls it up once, basically, and that trust is gone forever. So with that trust comes confidentiality. And I mean, we share things, we share stories, and a lot of us the entire group, now a lot of personal stuff about each other. But it stays within that confines of that environment. So to me, they're two of the really big ticket items that can influence a team and really build trust and bond and faith in one another. It's all about being the best we men. So hopefully we're there for them. And they're there for us and scratch each other's back all those sort of things. But it's really it's really important[PB6] . Yeah.

Paul Barnett 06:33

Steve, if there was a new coach, someone that was moving into a new team, and you had to give them advice on building trust, what things would you tell them to do?

Steve Glasson 06:42

First, I think definitely listen, you've got to listen, you got to be a good listener. And I think that's with anything, I'm doing a lot of talking today. So for that, for Joyce, but but you've got to be a good listener, understanding that people do go through different stages in their life, whether it's family planning, or financial, or get the yips in their sport, or have other external pressures, whatever the case may be. So a bit of empathy. [PB7]

I think enjoyment is one of the key ingredients to your must enjoy what you do, it's critical, if you don't enjoy it, well, you've only got to get out or find a way to enjoy it. I think that's the ultimate goal with anything, whether it's business or sports. So we often talk in particularly with our girls, their beautiful group, and sometimes at the scoreboard isn't quite going their way and the boys are the same, but they in stress a little bit, we're always emphasizing to them, just you play your best when you're enjoying yourself. So just get out there and get free flowing. And a little bit of that X factor of some of them got these most amazing skills. So don't lose sight of that, bring that back. And again, the reality of it is that you're not going to win every single time you go out and play. So the best players, champions in sport always win more than they lose. But be expected. Sometimes you're gonna have a day where it's not your best, except that shape the opposition's hand, when it's all over, say, Well done, you got me today. But in the back your mind, just remember next time I play Paul, I'm out to belt even. So use that as motivation as well. Now, there's always learning and being good sports person about it be a great winner, but also a great loser, that sort of thing is really important.[PB8] So it's not easy. I mean, it's a tough challenge. So and it's pretty tough for them, especially if it's a big goal of this particular event. And perhaps they fall short, well, then there's the aftermath of that and working through them. And again, we've got wonderful people behind the scenes that help them in their health and well being space and all that sort of stuff. So it's a wonderful challenge. And I guess what I've noticed most is that I was a participant, early on, I was Australian rep, etc, etc. And he kind of realized the transition from plane to coach was when you're a player, it's kind of it's selfish, because you turn up on the day and, and you're all sort of focused about what you want to do and how you gotta go about things and your pregame routines and your pre shot routines and pre everything, and you get out there. And with a coach, it's just the polar opposite. And I think I actually, while I'm very confident I enjoyed this aspect of the sport, and I've been involved for a long time, more than probably playing myself to go through that. And as I say, there's most amazing speed bumps along the way that you've got to deal with and they can be so insignificant, but then impact apply, or they can be really significant and be career defining, so to speak. So it's exciting, no days the same.

Paul Barnett 09:07

I want to ask you about great coaches and tournament's. But I want to just pick up on something you talked about a minute ago, which was being calm. And it's interesting, because in preparation for today, I was online, watching you, and you've represented Australia, over 300 plus occasions as a player, and you've won over 100 championships. So there's plenty of footage to watch.

Steve Glasson 09:29

You should see me playing now. It's embarrassing anyway, like,

Paul Barnett 09:32

you just seem so calm, you seem calm. And I'm wondering, is there any tips or routines? Is there something you do to stay calm? Or is it just who you are?

Steve Glasson 09:41

No, I can probably guarantee I'm not that calm. I don't go mad. I try and motivate the players. But when I first started coaching was a lot more difficult because I was sort of fresh out of being a player so you used to have that ability when you're playing to have a say in it when the actual games on and it was kind of sorry, there's my son's coming home from school, but he sort of had that input that involvement, but as a coach on the sideline, and you haven't got that same ability to have a control or a say in the match. So early on, it was kind of difficult, it was very hard for me to sort of quantify that and pull it off without the players. And I don't really want to kick a chair or anything like that. But you'd certainly had that emotion. But these days, I think we've probably got better with experience with preparation and planning. And also just understanding what they're going through out in the field and trying to see them through it. So your focus kinds of changes, I hope that answers your question. But there's certainly moments where you're nervous you nervous to them, you know, it was because of the condition or, or whatever the case may be. But again, if you've done the prep, and people are in a good place in their life, they're ready to peak at the right times, or that sort of thing. More times than not, the success ratio is high. So it's there. And there's opportunities available for them[PB9] . So

Paul Barnett 10:47

it sounds like it comes back to your idea of the process being more important than the outcome. And if you follow that through things will take care of themselves.

Steve Glasson 10:55

Yeah, a big believer in that you can't sort of look too far ahead. I mean, we're looking ahead, program wise to Birmingham in 22. And beyond used to come and we're looking at talent ID with juniors that are under 18. So there's certainly that long term vision. But when you're out there playing, it's in the moment, there's no point thinking, Oh, at the end of this week, we've got to have three gold medals or something because you get so wrapped up on that, and that therefore causes you stress and probably anxiety. So that's the way I deal with it. I mean, all coaches are different. They have their own philosophies. But that's sort of what takes my boat or floats my boat, so to speak. You've

Paul Barnett 11:26

traveled all over the world with balls, you've been to multiple Commonwealth Games, multiple countries, you've had a great ride. And I guess you've also seen a lot of other sports up close and a lot of other coaches. What is it you think the great coaches do differently from the ones who potentially?

Steve Glasson 11:44

Yeah, I don't know, I think you've got to have the right people around you. For starters, I think that's really important. So whether that's your fellow management, and you've got to have a good line of communication, even I know a lot of sports, some of the CEOs and the National coaches tend to clash a little bit. I'm pretty fortunate that situation that the CEO that we have, and my relationship is very strong. So we can talk about a lot of things. We can debate things which is healthy, but but not hold grudges, I think that's really important. So but certainly having those right people around you is very important. [PB10]

And having people with certain skill sets that best suits the environment that best suits what you're trying to achieve that are willing to follow a certain philosophy, and not only follow it, but really help drive it as well, I think that's really important. So and that's probably more so on the sideline. And then of course, you've got your elite talent that and we're Australia's a very privileged nation, because we've got a really good group of elite players, both formally current and coming through that we can sort of call on so but you've got to keep pushing all the time. And the minute you think, oh, you know, we've made it or we're close is the minute that you'll go backwards very, very quickly. So it's a constant drive, or hate side, it's, well use analogy. But the little one percenters are really important. So getting those little things, right. And it can be very, very simple things that can make a difference between being on the podium and not, or maybe a gold medal to a silver medal. It's exciting.

Paul Barnett 13:05

I want to pick up on this idea of disappointments, actually, because you've said, I've experienced the highs and lows. And that's put me in a good state to be coach. And I guess part of coaching is always dealing with your own self doubt, or the self doubt of your athletes. How do you go about dealing or helping your athletes deal with self doubt?

Steve Glasson 13:22

Yeah, it's a difficult one. Because again, every personality is different. It's having that intimate relationship with them, I guess you have a good idea of how they tick, what motivates them. And they're also vastly different. I probably can't put my finger on exactly. It's just working through with them. I think it's having those deep conversations. And sometimes it might be at your gain that's in some it might be something outside it could be, God forbid to say marriage or work or something like that, that is influencing some negative thinking. I mean, I go through it myself, I question what I do regularly. And these guys instill confidence in me as well. So it's a big circle. Really, if that deteriorates, well, then you basically go back to the drawing board and start again, and work out what does work and what doesn't work. And we'll all make mistakes. And as you correctly said, I've been fortunate, I've had great highs, and I've had disappointments through my career. But I think that's all an entree to doing this job that I can relate to that and understand that it's not perfect, the world's not perfect, what we do is not perfect. We haven't got perfect staff, or coaches or players. And that's a wonderful challenge. And I think, trying to get the best out of individuals and understanding that we've all got a role to play in us. And sharing is really important.[PB11]

Paul Barnett 14:28

When you took over the job as the Australian National Coach, you were very public in the fact that you were taught to improve the culture. When there's a coach who's trying to improve the culture of their team. What things do you think they should do? First?

Steve Glasson 14:40

I think culture is always a difficult one, because it's a never ending process. Really, again, it's one of those things that if you think you've got they're probably kidding yourself. So the culture was solid is good. It wasn't necessarily the culture that I thought it could be. And maybe some of that was instilled from previous regimes as well not saying it was wrong, but it was just different. So we really wanted to bring intergroup close together. I think the inclusiveness of gender ability, disability age was one of the critical components and all of that to make sure that that was really, that they really gelled. And that in itself was difficult because we had para teams come in that really do their own thing for most of you that come in for Commonwealth Games, and join our elite. So vastly different setting to have those two sort of groups unite, I think respects one of the biggest things respecting each other's differences in life, maybe their different background, maybe their heritage, whatever the case may be, might be something so simple as their sense of humor, that is very, very different. So all these things that you bring together, but with one common goal, and it's following a philosophy about and focused legacy ambassadorship, great play, all these things that make you really proud to wear the Australian Jersey in your chosen sport. So and to leave that in a better place for the people that are coming through behind you. It's pretty simple[PB12] . Again, you know, we talked about things like no BS, no bullshit. So that's really important couple of hours here, but we kind of always talked about a no blanket policy within the group. So we're looking for good genuine people that are prepared to stand up and have a go, that will take a hit and pick themselves back up again, and go for the fight or flight situation. And again, score is such a great challenge. And you just never know what you're going to get. You can wake up on any given morning and feel on top of the world yet and had the worst day ever. You can not sleep all night, wake up feeling miserable and dreadful, and play the game of your life or have the day life. So you know, there's unpredictability there that sometimes you just can't foresee. And that's one of the things that keeps us going. That's why I love it. Because again, no day is ever the same every day is different. And I love that my life. We talked

Paul Barnett 16:36

earlier about the fact when we were before the interview went live, you've got four boys. And I'm interested because you just talked about fight or flight then and I think you touched on helping people be resilient, keep going, can you talk about how you've tried to coach that into some of your athletes, and you've tried to develop that within them?

Steve Glasson 16:51

Yeah, we're probably lucky that some have already sort of come in, they develop players so that they understand that I think, when I first come in Australian team, there's nerves and things like that in the back of their mind there, they can be scared, it depends on their personality, some come in, they're quite confident, there's a big difference between confident and cocky. But they certainly come into the environment, not wanting to fail, they want to have a long term career as an Australian representative. So they're reluctant. So you've got to just try and influence confidence and take them back to what they do best. Make them understand as to why they're there and what attributes that really made them stand out to have that opportunity, all the really positive things and just sort of endorsing those and making them feel at home making them feel part of the group and equal part of the group. More importantly, and not just some trade off that all there's a newbie, they can carry the bass today or clean the shoes and that sort of thing. We don't quite operate like that. So they're an equal with everyone. And they can have a say in things and that sort of thing as well, which is really important, but certainly still learning the trade and, and I hope that they've all got the ambition and the desire to want to continue to improve whether it's, again, performance wise, whether it's a person, whether it's their legacy, all this sort of thing, [PB13] we just had a lady retire in early 40s, who's played for 25 years for Australia, by the name of Karen Murphy. And I think Ken, she's one of my very good friends as well, we've played in the team together and then finished up coach player. But one of her great attributes was that she was always a sponge for information, she just always wanted to improve. And she'll go down as one of the greatest players of all time, unquestionably. But I mainly put it down to the fact that she was just meticulous, and always wanted to improve, she never got to a stage where she thought I reached my Pinnacle there. Not a chance. So just too committed too much killer instinct to just sit back and breathe in the sunshine, so to speak.

Paul Barnett 18:36

What about a situation though? I mean, it's great when you've got players like Karen there who are a role model for others within the team. But so often within teams, there can be negative peer pressure, or there can be pockets of resistance. How have you dealt with that as a coach?

Steve Glasson 18:52

Yeah, I think we still deal with that. I think there's always, again, those different personalities, and some may not necessarily agree with the philosophy, the coach or the program, that sort of thing. So and I think it's just trying to break it down a little bit. And sort of I suppose we've got a reasonable track record now that there's some factual evidence behind the fact that these program initiatives these sort of expectations that we put on players actually does warrant or ultimately provide results at the end of the day. So to have that factual evidence or that supporting evidence is always a big plus and and look sometimes we get players to come in and expect things to fall into their lap and ultimately, they probably don't cut the mustard they fall away or or they walk away or doors closed on them. And that's always really tough to you have some incredibly deep adult conversations respectful one on one conversation, people sometimes and we're always very mindful of those people that Miss selection, as I say, we've got a very strong group. So those that Miss selection, say for Commonwealth Games, which is a big ticket item, I mean, that's been on the gold since I first put a bowl down to make a lot of games and if they go they're a fringe pie and go that close and miss out. Well there's an aftermath of that. So a first port of call is trying your best to ensure that we talk to them, we have those very difficult conversations about why has some factual evidence to support it, I can't help but be empathetic to them because I've been there. So I know clearly you can never say sorry, you want to sometimes or in my cases coach and other great challenges fact that hit the messenger. So we have a selection panel and, and sometimes the team on the pallet may not be the team that I necessarily endorse. So you're actually providing a message to a player that didn't make it that you're not exactly in tune with either. So that they're the really reveal one sometimes that you just want to tell them because that will never come out as to who those players were at some of your type T Drive, which is sort of thing but in the back of your mind, you're really feeling for him, and you just want to hug them and wrap him up. And he can't do that it has its moments as well,[PB14]

Paul Barnett 20:46

you say you can't do that you come across Steve as such a personable connected coach to your athletes. But then you've got these times when you've got to deliver bad news, how do you find that line between being intimate with them, but also being able to step back and be dispassionate when you have to?

Steve Glasson 21:03

I think that trust the fact that comes in again, you've got to build that relationship. And one of the first things you always say, and I don't know how you do it in your role in the corporate world, or how the coaches do it. But one of the first lines I'll always use is that from providing feedback to you, Paul, and you have made the team as Paul, we're going to have a conversation today. And, and some of the things you're probably not going to agree with. But let's talk about and let's break it down and work through it sort of thing. So really, again, having that ability to have the evidence, and then provide an environment that is respectful. And safe is really important. So we have little quirks about how we announce teams and things like that. So there's no perfect way to announce a team, particularly for those that miss out. And these are a lot of these are friends of mine, because you'll become friendly with them. But we announced the team in a method as simple as a text message to the whole group to say this is the team, we tell them that it will be delivered on 7am On Wednesday, the fourth of August, have your phone on. And then from there, we have a process to say well, over the next 2048 hours the national coach was surely we'll be in touch to further discuss. If you want to fast track that conversation as a player, you can you can ring me any time. And we'll start having that conversation as to why not. And again, they're our first port of call. I have one particular player who couldn't speak to me for three weeks, and we're very tight, but was just so disappointed in a non selection and despise comes back as wonderful as in the chessboard.[PB15] Great, but yeah, it's everyone's different.

Paul Barnett 22:33

I wanted to ask you about diversity, because balls is a game with such diversity men, women, young people, all people, people with disabilities, and all kinds of disabilities to visually impaired, I'm really keen to hear how you go about managing such diversity, because it's actually unusual,

Steve Glasson 22:52

I actually don't find it too bad to be honest. Again, the respect values come back in so respecting people's place in life, understanding that they're all different, they've got a different role to play in the team, we're actually very lucky, I think that we have a group that they're prepared to buy in as well. So sometimes when you have some new group members come in safe and use an example, but say, from the disability section who aren't used to working with our elite or vice versa, that just takes a lot of communication, really the doors of communication. So they get to know each other very well, again, understanding how they take what they need to not survive, or what they need to have happen for them, that puts them in the best environment as well. And then those guys having the ability to understand that they can't always have it all. So what are they going to sacrifice to ensure simple philosophy is treat others as you'd like to be treated yourself. I think that he can't make it any more simple than that.[PB16] So having those respect qualities, and it seems to flow pretty nice. I mean, we occasional speed bump and that sort of thing. But in a general sense. They're good group of people that come from good families, they've been involved in sports. So they know immediately that there's going to be a diverse group in any case, especially when all these groups don't come together because they're well versed in the sport. So it's not totally foreign for them to be an environment where there might be someone that's 30 years old or younger than or have a disability and stuff like that. So it's not a total shock,

Paul Barnett 24:12

so to speak. I'm interested Steve, are there any particular resources that you found helpful as a coach

Steve Glasson 24:18

talking to other coaches, I think that's probably the best one what I find that does is certainly give you new ideas and it might be just little simple things if you don't necessarily agree with that you don't want to incorporate into your program. But a lot of the time it gives you confidence what you're doing yourself whilst bowls is totally different to say rugby league or things. There are still a lot of things that happen behind the scenes to bring a team together that makes a team click that basically resonate across any sort of sport and the same goes for corporate sort of stuff. Those same principles are the same philosophies. So to me the best resources just talking to the coaches, listen, and I really love listening to them. That's why I'll definitely tune in to the podcast because I'll be a sponge for information yourself and adding in some of that will endorse what we already do. Now give me lightbulb moment system maybe thanks for to ourselves, so, but the philosophies are very simple as long as you can get the basics right, if you're a lead, and you're truly gifted at what you do, and you understand your role and position, you understand the type of tactics that we're trying to employ. If you can get those basic fundamentals right More times than not, you're going to be successful. And it's not over complicating it. It's keeping crosstable breaking it down into layman's terms, everyone knows the sort of role and what their job is to do out on the playing field. And if you've got people that have appeared to buy into that, again, it makes your life a whole lot easier.[PB17]

Paul Barnett 25:29

You mentioned families a minute ago, and I understand your dad introduced you to balls, just listening to you come across as a real calm influence a real, I want to use the word grown up influence over the organization that you're running. But what lessons did you take from your own family into your coaching,

Steve Glasson 25:45

probably not a lot from that side. But certainly my father was an accomplished player in his own right, so I played cricket and rugby league and got into bowls and growing bowls, because my father, but I think from a playing perspective, I had a privilege introduction to the sport where I was mixing with very good players from the get go. And I used to, even as a junior as a 12 year old to go along and watch these great players play. And I could just sit there all day to soak it up about the tactics they use, the way they interacted with their teammates, The Good, the Bad, and the ugly. I mean, it wasn't all good. So I guess hopefully some of that resonated with me and things I took away from that to take into my own playing career. I think that was a really critical component to my playing career. So that extended to being in the team and learning things from a player's point of view, learning things from previous coaches that were very, very good. In some cases, there was philosophies or programming issues that I didn't agree with, as a player, able to manipulate the current program, taking all that into account and look up, there's no doubt that the players in our current system that don't agree with some of the philosophies, or some of the principles we live by, and that's okay. But to their credit, they do their utmost to sort of influence that and support it, the doors wide open. So open door policy come and have a chat. Sometimes they've got excellent points. It's not about being a dictatorship, they've got excellent points to bring into the program, which is great, your peers, your best judges, you certainly take on board their feedback and providing, you're both willing to say, well, we might not always agree, but we'll walk away better for the conversation, then that's great. So just those respect values again,

Paul Barnett 27:16

and Steve, just lastly, if I could ask, what's the legacy? You believe you're leaving as a coach?

Steve Glasson 27:21

Yeah, I don't think about it too much. Probably bang on about it a fair bit with our players and that sort of thing about them. Look at I don't know, I probably think about legacy. When it's all over. I think at the moment, I'm sort of focused on doing the very best job I can for all eighth of the organization before the sport and probably see for the playing group and getting the best out of them. I'd like to think probably walk away being respected. A little bit clinical in how we go about things are always nice to hear people say well, you're a bloody good bloke or something like that. That's nice. But I think you know, just motivated, committed, got that desire, and practical, I suppose trying to get the job done. And being again, the best way man, I can be to the whole group.[PB18] And it's a great challenge sometimes.

Paul Barnett 27:59

Steve Glasson, thank you so much for your time today. Fantastic.

Steve Glasson 28:03

Paul, it's been my pleasure. Thank you so much for the opportunity. I will be logging in to check us I'll get you to send me the details of the podcast if you'd be so kind and good job for you for this initiative. And I hope you have Well, I think he's had 70 done already. So however many you do, or hope they're just 100% better than today. Even I hope you get so much out of it. That'd be fabulous. And thanks for time, the best wishes to you and your family in Prague as

Paul Barnett 28:23

well. Thanks, Steve Anteil as well. Pleasure. Thanks

Steve Glasson 28:26

very much, Paul. Take care